Genesis Arrows

[Roskoe]

I just picked up a used Genesis bow for my daughter and youngest son to use. The bow has about a 22 lb. draw weight and a wide degree of draw length latitude. Shot some Easton ST Excel 500's out of it this afternoon. They are actually made for a bow in the 47 to 52 lb.draw weight range. They are hitting the target, but angling to the right. Do they make arrows, in the 29" length, that are spined correctly for a bow of this modest pull weight? Thx. Roskoe.

[98Redline]

Easton makes an arrow called the Jazz that should spine relatively well for a Genesis.

[Paul L Mohr]

It is nearly impossible to get properly spined arrows for youth set ups, especially one that is as generic as the genisis. Proper spine requires the same draw length and draw weight at every shot. This is not going to happen with a bow you can hand off to different archers that have different draw lengths.

Just pick one that is stiff enough and doesn't weigh too much since these bows don't put out incredible speed.

I think the arrows you are using are probably fine. Or you could look into getting some youth arrows which might be a little weaker. I doubt you will get an arrow weak enough to spine for a 22 lb low energy youth bow. Not any that I would want to shoot anyway.

I like the easton jazz arrows, but they make many different sizes and you would have to pick the correct one (all will probably be on the stiff side unless you make them long and use a lot of tip weight). I almost never suggest carbons, I am an aluminum fan myself, but for what you are doing I would go with an inexpensive carbon arrow for the durability and lighter weight. Jazz arrows are aluminum arrows, I use them for target shooting.

If the arrows do not fly right, check to see if they are straight, after that it is probably a contact issue or a form issue. If you are shooting target tips and adequate fletching spine should not make a big difference in flight or accuracy. And being too stiff is usually better than being weak. The only down side is a stiffer arrow usually weighs more than you need.

What sort of target are you using? And are the arrows just sitting funny in the target, or flying bad on the way to the target? Some targets do not hold the arrows straight after they go in. Bag targets are known for this, especially with low powered set ups. The arrow will move around as it goes in the target, or sometimes drop some when it stops.

Also what sort of rest are you using with what sort of fletchings? Might be a fletch contact issue, or you don't have enough fletching for what you are doing. In my opinion youth set ups greatly benefit from a higher FOC (heavier tip weight) and larger feather fletchings. This helps correct the flight of the arrow faster when shooting close up and is very forgiving of contact issues. I have seen many get youth bows with flipper type rests and be shooting cheap youth arrows with plastic vanes. This does not work too well.

Let us know more about the set up and we can go from there.

Paul

[Snood Slapper]

I'd try some Gold Tip Falcons.

[Roskoe]

It has a Cobra flipper type rest. I may swap this out for a Tropy Ridge fall away I have laying around the shop. Also, I shot some more this morning in calm conditions. Although it wasn't howling windy yesterday, the breeze apparently accounted for quite a bit of the yawing in flight problems. They were hitting almost straight this morning.

I see Cabela's has some aluminum arrows just for the Genesis bow - they are 30" long. I may order some of these just to get things started on the right foot. They call them Easton Genesis arrows in the catalog. Same arrow as theJazz?

The arrows I was shooting so farare 28" Easton 500's - have Blazer vanes and 100 gr. field tips. Think I'd be better off with full sizefletching and 125 gr. tips? Thx. Roskoe.

[Paul L Mohr]

I don't see how blazers and a flipper rest are going to work too well. I would bet you are getting some type of contact issues with the rest or something. This would bounce your arrows all over the place when they leave the bow. You might able to get them to clear by indexing the vanes just right, but then they may hit the cables. Flipper rests are not all that adjustable either.

Sounds like contact and tuning issues to me. Really hard to say without seeing the bow.

Who will be shooting this bow that you need arrows that long?

I also question how well a drop away will work on this sort of bow, especially if it is one that gets pulled up by a cable. You would need to draw it to the same spot to get the rest to come up all the way every time. Or to get the timing right.

Don't over complicate this. Just get a simple prong rest and some feather fletched arrows long enough to accommodate the archer with the longer draw length. Or arrows matched to each archer that will shoot the bow. If one of your kids has a 23 inch draw length they don't need to be shooting 30 inch aluminum arrows. That will be a bit awkward and over kill on weight if you know what I mean.

Paul

[Snood Slapper]

I assume you are having your daughter shoot fingers with that rest. With that combo your fletching is too stiff because it is more than likely hitting the riser or rest or both. Try fletching up a few arrows with feathers and see if that helps. It is a lot cheaper to try that first than to run out and buy all new arrows and a rest. They will collapse against the riser/rest where a Blazer won't. I have a kids bow for my kids that doesn't have enough of a cutout to allow the use any other type of rest other than a flipper because you can't get it close enough to center shot. They shoot Falcons with feathers and it shoots just fine.

[Roskoe]

Thanks, guys. How about a simple Whisker Biscuit rest? I have these on all my other bows and they seem to be very forgiving. The son has a 29" draw length. He is shooting a Bear Element now, but is struggling with it - even with the pull weight adjusted down to 45 lbs. I though the Genesis would give him a chance to develop form and confidence.

[Snood Slapper]

Yep, that would be good. You can tune it for fingers too. That is what I tried on my kids' bow, but could not get it close enough to center shot. The Genesis probably has a larger cutout to use that rest.