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Old 10-16-2006, 11:20 AM   #1
 
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Default Gluing a string loop...

For some odd reason, my string loop keeps slipping and turning so my peep wont line up. I will readjust it and take a few shots, then it will be off again. Someone said it might be the temperatures effect on the string or bow.
Someone also suggested using superglue to fix it (the string loop)in place. What you boys think?
Also, should I just invest in a peep with some rubber tubing just to be safe?
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Default RE: Gluing a string loop...

I have glued them before using super glue or goat tuff. Just a dot on each knot from knot to bowstring will suffice.

My theory is that when the loop is first tied, it isn't clamped hard enough when the knot is settled. I use a pair of needle nose pliers after the loop is initially tied and stick it between the loop and string and then open the pliers hard to settle it in. I believe someone makes a tool for this now as well for like $20 or so.
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Default RE: Gluing a string loop...

If the loop is put on properly it should not slip.

Check and make sure the serving is tight that could be the culprit or the string has not yet settled in and is creeping.

I have never used any sort of glue on a loop.


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should I just invest in a peep with some rubber tubing just to be safe?
You will get a big heck no from me on the peep with tubing.

I would suggest you get a good quality string from gibblet
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Default RE: Gluing a string loop...

Any thoughts on the temperature affecting the positioning of the loop and peep?
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Any thoughts on the temperature affecting the positioning of the loop and peep?
Temp can affect the fibers of the string which will lengthen/shorten it and thus make it rotate. I have noticed 452X seems to have less affect from temp than other types of string materials.
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Old 10-16-2006, 12:22 PM   #6
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I seriously doubt temp affects the string material anywhere near as much as it does the bow's riser. The longer the riser, the more effect differences in temperature will have on it (one thing I don't like about the trend to very long risers and very short limbs). It will grow longer in hot weather and shorter in cold weather. Which will affect how much tension is put on the string and cables. Also, as I've pointed out before, temperature differences will have greater affect on risers machined out of aluminum billet than it will on forged or cast risers.

If you've got very few twists in your string, you will have more rotation problems with your peep thanyou will if you have a good many (20-30)twists in it. But you can overdo it with twists. I don't know what brand bow you shoot but Hoyt's recommended maximum for twists isno more than 1.2 twists per inch of bowstring.

Stay away from the rubber tubing peeps.
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Old 10-16-2006, 02:03 PM   #7
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Default RE: Gluing a string loop...

Although I don't use a loop I've installed a few in my short 30 year career. Something I vary rarely see mentioned is the idea of putting string wax on the serving before installing the loop. When a loop is put on and tightened there is friction between the two materials which doesn't allow the loop to be as tight as it might get. Waxing the string reduces this friction and when tightening the loop with needle nose pliers, as mentioned, it allows the loop to pull tighter. This paradoxically, reduces the chance for the loop to twist on the string, or slide up or down.

The loop is not supposed to be used to align your peep though. What it is is a bandaid for string problems. Not enough twists or just plain lousy strings twist when the bow is drawn and this rotates the peep. The best remedy for this is to twist up the string and shoot it till it settles down or get a good set of aftermarket ones. One name----Gibblet.
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Default RE: Gluing a string loop...

First of all Temp Does not affect the riser at all. So who ever you heard that from dont believe anything. The Temps would have to be very high in order to even achieve any measurable change. It is aluminum not steel. Aluminum if you didnt know disapates heat at a very fast rate much higher than steel. Thus one of the main reasons besides reduced weight that race cars use aluminum Blaocks. Second heat greatly affects the strands of your string and cables. Its relaxes the fibers and softens the waxes and allows the string to both stretch and get thinner. That is the main reason one starts to experiance loose servings and loose D loop. As a prcautionary I would reserve the center serving and then put on a new D loop do to the fact that the serving is most likely loose after the heat. Was it a factory center searving or was it installed on the bow. Factory center servings tend to get pretty loose because they dont generate enough tension when serving. If your getting a custom string in the future be sure that it is served under at the very least 300# of tension and nothing over 450#. This will keep your serinvgs the tightest and eliminate your peep rotation. Uneven tension on individual strands is what causes your peep to rotate. In affect by twisting the string you are equalizing the tension across all the strands. Like pete Shelpy wrote in a article not long ago a really good string wont require any twisting at all. though the string looks much cleaner and neater with it twisted up and two colors. Just my two cents as a experianced string builder
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Depending on what type of peep you are usind(the hunter which the string has 3 seperation or the target style withe the 2 seperation) I have the target style and was having the same problem and all i did was swap a couple of strands like from left to right or vice versa and never had the problem again. hope this helps. Have a good day
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