Fawn distress?
11-22-2015, 09:57 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Indiana
Posts: 1,186
Called in two coyotes last week with a estrus bleat call. I was attempting to whitetail hunt but ended up with coyotes. Went back out a few days later with a electronic coyote call and nothing. I always get coyotes coming in when I least expect them, that's why I enjoy it so much.
11-22-2015, 11:18 AM
#12
Typical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 516
Brandon, they tend to keep their spots longer in warmer climates because of the cover. I've seen Southern Georgia whitetail 8 month old deer with light spots. You don't have 3 separate ruts in Florida, you have different times of rut in different areas of Florida. From July to October (North to South) the rut kicks in on different dates throughout. If anything you have fawns dropping earlier than anywhere else in the country not later. Florida actually has about the longest STATEWIDE rut sequences of just about any other state. But it starts so early and it is so all over the place it is difficult to pin down in each county.
11-22-2015, 07:22 PM
#13
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3,902
Coyotes will eat deer all year long, sometimes they're just smaller than other times of year. Most open reeds that will do a decent fawn distress will do a reasonable "juvenile deer" bawl too, just slide a little deeper on the reed.
Coyotes are instinctual - despite what Chuck Jones might have lead Wile E. to believe about himself - they're not geniuses. There's no logical processing center in the canine brain, they don't have the capacity for reason - if something sounds like a meal and doesn't sound like a threat at a time when the coyote is hungry (virtually always), they'll come check it out.
I've called hundreds of coyotes with Jackrabbit calls over the years in areas that don't have jackrabbits. I've called with fawn distress in February, called with coyote pup distress calls in October... If it sounds like a meal, and doesn't relate to a threat, they'll come check it out...
Coyotes are instinctual - despite what Chuck Jones might have lead Wile E. to believe about himself - they're not geniuses. There's no logical processing center in the canine brain, they don't have the capacity for reason - if something sounds like a meal and doesn't sound like a threat at a time when the coyote is hungry (virtually always), they'll come check it out.
I've called hundreds of coyotes with Jackrabbit calls over the years in areas that don't have jackrabbits. I've called with fawn distress in February, called with coyote pup distress calls in October... If it sounds like a meal, and doesn't relate to a threat, they'll come check it out...
11-22-2015, 08:09 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,695
Like I said in my first response Mercy, "kinda sorta know". It's more along the lines of what they have learned and how much pressure is on them as well as human population densities and all that sciency jazz. While no they are not geniuses, they are MUCH smarter than most like to give them credit for. Them getting "call shy" actually DOES show that intelligence. In the eastern part of the country, yotes are much more "shy" and wary than your western dogs. Unlike the idiots we have here that will come to just about anything any time because they have little to no fear of humans. Yotes around here make a fence post look like 185 IQ genius! But them Eastern dogs actually seem to be much smarter. Docs tend to spout off about what animals can actually think or not think but in all reality they have absolutely NO clue whether or not they do have logic centers. My feelings are, if they learn about calls and get wary of them, they have a processing center of SOME sort which leads to more intelligence than given credit for by most. I've been hunting yotes from both ends of the country and in the middle for a lot of years and seen some pretty dang sure signs of higher intelligence over them years. Just like Bears know when the Samon runs should be starting, yotes know when they should be seeing Fawns dropping.
11-22-2015, 08:34 PM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3,902
You can teach your dog to sit - he doesn't learn the english language, he just knows if he hears you make a certain sound and he does a certain behavior, he'll get a treat. That's not logical reasoning, that's behavioral imprinting. Your dog doesn't logic out - "if he liked it when I sit, he'd really like it when I sit up and juggle tennis balls..." If you touch a hot stove, your brain doesn't need to process what happened to know it was damaging. It's instinct - not logic.
In the last ~15yrs, I've hunted coyotes in at least 26 states that I could recall tonight. From Maine to California, they're all the same:
1) Set up where you can see the dog before they see/smell you
2) Sound like a meal
3) Don't sound like a threat
4) Shoot the dog when it comes in range
They're cowards - the consequence of NOT coming to a meal is missing a meal, the consequence of coming to a threat death. That's not rocket science, it's simple survival - fight or flight, and coyotes have a high flight impulse. They survive because they're survivors. If you woke up every day and your only compulsion was "don't die," you'd get really good at it.
Guys give them far too much credit. They'll follow low lines that we can't even perceive and pop up downwind - maybe never revealing themselves - and make a fool out of hunters, but there's nothing complicated about calling coyotes.
It might not be the 100% success or the 15min or less game that calling videos make it out to be, but they're just coyotes.
Bears know the salmon run happens a certain time of year, and whitetails know my feeders will go off a certain time of day. That's not high level intelligence. Push the button, get a result. Push the button, get a result. Feel hungry, eat, hunger stops. Thirsty, drink, thirst stops. Hear a threat, run, don't die. It's pretty simple.
Coyotes will come to fawn distress 365 1/4 days a year just as well as they will any other day.
In the last ~15yrs, I've hunted coyotes in at least 26 states that I could recall tonight. From Maine to California, they're all the same:
1) Set up where you can see the dog before they see/smell you
2) Sound like a meal
3) Don't sound like a threat
4) Shoot the dog when it comes in range
They're cowards - the consequence of NOT coming to a meal is missing a meal, the consequence of coming to a threat death. That's not rocket science, it's simple survival - fight or flight, and coyotes have a high flight impulse. They survive because they're survivors. If you woke up every day and your only compulsion was "don't die," you'd get really good at it.
Guys give them far too much credit. They'll follow low lines that we can't even perceive and pop up downwind - maybe never revealing themselves - and make a fool out of hunters, but there's nothing complicated about calling coyotes.
It might not be the 100% success or the 15min or less game that calling videos make it out to be, but they're just coyotes.
Bears know the salmon run happens a certain time of year, and whitetails know my feeders will go off a certain time of day. That's not high level intelligence. Push the button, get a result. Push the button, get a result. Feel hungry, eat, hunger stops. Thirsty, drink, thirst stops. Hear a threat, run, don't die. It's pretty simple.
Coyotes will come to fawn distress 365 1/4 days a year just as well as they will any other day.
Last edited by Nomercy448; 11-22-2015 at 08:40 PM.
11-26-2015, 06:43 PM
#16
Fork Horn
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Pensacola, Florida
Posts: 236
Coyotes will eat deer all year long, sometimes they're just smaller than other times of year. Most open reeds that will do a decent fawn distress will do a reasonable "juvenile deer" bawl too, just slide a little deeper on the reed.
Coyotes are instinctual - despite what Chuck Jones might have lead Wile E. to believe about himself - they're not geniuses. There's no logical processing center in the canine brain, they don't have the capacity for reason - if something sounds like a meal and doesn't sound like a threat at a time when the coyote is hungry (virtually always), they'll come check it out.
I've called hundreds of coyotes with Jackrabbit calls over the years in areas that don't have jackrabbits. I've called with fawn distress in February, called with coyote pup distress calls in October... If it sounds like a meal, and doesn't relate to a threat, they'll come check it out...
Coyotes are instinctual - despite what Chuck Jones might have lead Wile E. to believe about himself - they're not geniuses. There's no logical processing center in the canine brain, they don't have the capacity for reason - if something sounds like a meal and doesn't sound like a threat at a time when the coyote is hungry (virtually always), they'll come check it out.
I've called hundreds of coyotes with Jackrabbit calls over the years in areas that don't have jackrabbits. I've called with fawn distress in February, called with coyote pup distress calls in October... If it sounds like a meal, and doesn't relate to a threat, they'll come check it out...
Like I said in my first response Mercy, "kinda sorta know". It's more along the lines of what they have learned and how much pressure is on them as well as human population densities and all that sciency jazz. While no they are not geniuses, they are MUCH smarter than most like to give them credit for. Them getting "call shy" actually DOES show that intelligence. In the eastern part of the country, yotes are much more "shy" and wary than your western dogs. Unlike the idiots we have here that will come to just about anything any time because they have little to no fear of humans. Yotes around here make a fence post look like 185 IQ genius! But them Eastern dogs actually seem to be much smarter. Docs tend to spout off about what animals can actually think or not think but in all reality they have absolutely NO clue whether or not they do have logic centers. My feelings are, if they learn about calls and get wary of them, they have a processing center of SOME sort which leads to more intelligence than given credit for by most. I've been hunting yotes from both ends of the country and in the middle for a lot of years and seen some pretty dang sure signs of higher intelligence over them years. Just like Bears know when the Samon runs should be starting, yotes know when they should be seeing Fawns dropping.
You can teach your dog to sit - he doesn't learn the english language, he just knows if he hears you make a certain sound and he does a certain behavior, he'll get a treat. That's not logical reasoning, that's behavioral imprinting. Your dog doesn't logic out - "if he liked it when I sit, he'd really like it when I sit up and juggle tennis balls..." If you touch a hot stove, your brain doesn't need to process what happened to know it was damaging. It's instinct - not logic.
In the last ~15yrs, I've hunted coyotes in at least 26 states that I could recall tonight. From Maine to California, they're all the same:
1) Set up where you can see the dog before they see/smell you
2) Sound like a meal
3) Don't sound like a threat
4) Shoot the dog when it comes in range
They're cowards - the consequence of NOT coming to a meal is missing a meal, the consequence of coming to a threat death. That's not rocket science, it's simple survival - fight or flight, and coyotes have a high flight impulse. They survive because they're survivors. If you woke up every day and your only compulsion was "don't die," you'd get really good at it.
Guys give them far too much credit. They'll follow low lines that we can't even perceive and pop up downwind - maybe never revealing themselves - and make a fool out of hunters, but there's nothing complicated about calling coyotes.
It might not be the 100% success or the 15min or less game that calling videos make it out to be, but they're just coyotes.
Bears know the salmon run happens a certain time of year, and whitetails know my feeders will go off a certain time of day. That's not high level intelligence. Push the button, get a result. Push the button, get a result. Feel hungry, eat, hunger stops. Thirsty, drink, thirst stops. Hear a threat, run, don't die. It's pretty simple.
Coyotes will come to fawn distress 365 1/4 days a year just as well as they will any other day.
In the last ~15yrs, I've hunted coyotes in at least 26 states that I could recall tonight. From Maine to California, they're all the same:
1) Set up where you can see the dog before they see/smell you
2) Sound like a meal
3) Don't sound like a threat
4) Shoot the dog when it comes in range
They're cowards - the consequence of NOT coming to a meal is missing a meal, the consequence of coming to a threat death. That's not rocket science, it's simple survival - fight or flight, and coyotes have a high flight impulse. They survive because they're survivors. If you woke up every day and your only compulsion was "don't die," you'd get really good at it.
Guys give them far too much credit. They'll follow low lines that we can't even perceive and pop up downwind - maybe never revealing themselves - and make a fool out of hunters, but there's nothing complicated about calling coyotes.
It might not be the 100% success or the 15min or less game that calling videos make it out to be, but they're just coyotes.
Bears know the salmon run happens a certain time of year, and whitetails know my feeders will go off a certain time of day. That's not high level intelligence. Push the button, get a result. Push the button, get a result. Feel hungry, eat, hunger stops. Thirsty, drink, thirst stops. Hear a threat, run, don't die. It's pretty simple.
Coyotes will come to fawn distress 365 1/4 days a year just as well as they will any other day.
11-27-2015, 10:31 AM
#17
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location:
Posts: 5,130
Your set-up (forcing them into a "shooting area") and the wind are the most important considerations !
Get in a good hide (bring sticks), call softly and be patient.
A decoy helps to keep their attention off of you.
Sounds like you found a good spot................. so don't just educate them - kill'em instead !!!
Get in a good hide (bring sticks), call softly and be patient.
A decoy helps to keep their attention off of you.
Sounds like you found a good spot................. so don't just educate them - kill'em instead !!!
