Question about powder and primer cartridge

Suma · 08-09-2007, 03:43 AM

hi
*I have seen a lot of videos about making the black powder (3)
and i was asking if i can use it to fill a primer cartridge (2)???.
*about the primer (5)should it be changed or not?

thanks

08-09-2007, 05:41 AM

Yea, sure some cases are made for blackpowder. Especially ones like the 45 colt and 45-70. And everytime you reload a case (number4), you have to punch out the old primer (number 5) and put in a new one.

eldeguello · 08-09-2007, 05:42 AM

I need some explanations here in order to try to answer your question! What do you mean by "primer cartridge".

Are you asking whether you have to replace spent primers when reloading a cartridge? If so, the answer is YES. I strongly urge you DONOTtry to make black powder! The results will be unsatisfactory, and the process is dangerous!

MODERN cartridges don't use black powder anyway, and if you want to reload some ammo, go to ther top of this page and read "READ THIS FIRST" right now. Then get a reloading manual and read it through a couple of times before you start!!

Frank in the Laurels · 08-09-2007, 06:28 AM

BLACK POWDER...inside a case...you'd better look into something like this LONG LONG before you ever try it...I suspect this would be life threathing for the shooter...never heard of it before and I've been reloading for 40 years..I WOULD NOT ATTEMPT IT and do alot of research before you ever think about it..

Suma · 08-09-2007, 07:57 AM

bigcountrythansk for your answer

eldeguello i have read it and thanks for answering me
Frank in the Laurelsbut i saw some bullet soled on the internetr and it's a black powder

for that i asked.

and to be clear i have a small factory and i can make a bullet

but i just wanted to know few things about that..
hanksfor your time

eldeguello · 08-15-2007, 09:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: Suma

bigcountrythansk for your answer

eldeguello i have read it and thanks for answering me
Frank in the Laurelsbut i saw some bullet soled on the internetr and it's a black powder

for that i asked.

and to be clear i have a small factory and i can make a bullet

but i just wanted to know few things about that..
hanksfor your time

OK! ANY cartridge can be loaded and SAFELY FIRED with black powder instead of smokeless powder.Pressures will be lower than with smokeless powder. Ballistic performance will be generally quite poor (compared to smokeless powder reloads), and the ammunition will be DIRTY!!

You can use as much black powder in a case as it will take to fill it up and still leaveroom at the case mouthto let you start the bullet. In a shotgun shell, you mustleave room for the wad column and the shot!

To work correctly, black powder needs to be compressed a little by the bullet or shot charge. In a shotgun shell, the powder needs to be compressed a little when you crimp the mouth of the case.

My advice is still DO NOTtry to make your own BLACK powder, but if you want to use BP in a cartridge, buy the powder. GOEX is a good brand, and Grafs' sells some other brands that are OK too. Use FFFg granulation in pistol cartridges, and FFg or "Cartridge" granulation in rifle cases. I would use Fg or FFg in shotgun shells.

As for safety: Black Powder is a "low explosive", rather than a "flammable solid" likesmokeless powder. As such, it requires careful handling. DO NOT subject a container of real BP to heat, impact, or vibration/shaking! DO NOT use it in a ferrous metal powder measure. Use wooden scoops or brass powder measures to measure and handleBP.

Be aware that the stuff is dirty/cruddy!! Over 50% of the product of BP combustion is a dirty solid which clings to metal surfgaces, and it is a real pain to clean it out of your guns. In addition, any cartridge cases fired with black powder have to be washed out with hot soapy water after shooting, if you intend to use them again. Hot water is also the best solvent for cleaning the guns. After shooting, I take my Ruger Old Army revolver completely apart, and put all the metal components into a sink full of hot, soapy water. After soaking for about 15 minutes, I use a bore brush inside the barrel and a toothbrush to scrub all the BP fouling off all the gun's metal parts before I oil up the parts andput it back together. A similar treatment is required for the steel components of any gun used with the dirty stuff!

If you are just interested in reloading, use smokeless powder unless you are loading ammo for an oldgun the REQUIRES black powder only!

08-15-2007, 09:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: Frank in the Laurels

BLACK POWDER...inside a case...you'd better look into something like this LONG LONG before you ever try it...I suspect this would be life threathing for the shooter...never heard of it before and I've been reloading for 40 years..I WOULD NOT ATTEMPT IT and do alot of research before you ever think about it..

Goodness, ever read handloader mag. Anymore about 1/4 of it is about blackpowder case reloading. Which I don't care for Mike V much. So I try to skip his articles. They reloaded cases with BP long before smokeless.

Pawildman · 08-15-2007, 09:52 AM

Suma.....PLEASE do not attempt to make your own black powder!! I fully understand that there are recipes for it available, but this is an EXTREMELY dangerous idea.
Do yourself a favor and follow Eldeguello's advice. He took the time to explain a potentially dangerous situation to you, and some alternatives. Live safe!!