I don't want to hijack the "Genesis" thread, so I'll ask the question here. Reading all the comments & back & forth, I can't help but wonder... For those of you who take the creation story in Genesis literally, how do you read Matthew 26: 26-28? Or Mark 14: 22-24? Or Luke 22: 19-20? Especially in the light of John 6: 53-57, "Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you". Does the one who created everything from nothing still know how to make flesh & blood out of bread & wine?
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Does the one who created everything from nothing still know how to make flesh & blood out of bread & wine?
The Bible doesn't say He turned bread and wine into flesh and blood. It's obvious, to me anyway, that Christ was telling them the bread represented his flesh and the cup represented his blood.
I'd have to research it to find the exact scripture, but I believe caniballism was a sin punishable by death under the Law, and Christ being a Jew kept the Law perfectly. Doesn't make any sense to me that He would command His followers to do such.
Chad
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I stand corrected. The only passages I could find about canniballism were when it was used or threatened as an extreme punishment.
The point doesn't change--it's not something Christ would institute as worship.
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A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
So, if Christ only meant that the bread & wine "represented" his body & blood, why did his message of "eating of the flesh & drinking the blood" scare off so many of his followers? Why did he do nothing to clarify this? And if Christ himself can say that something "is", yet mean it only "represents", why is it so impossible to interpret that a "day" may mean something more than a 24 hr period? And why did Paul warn so sternly against eating the bread & drinking the wine while being unworthy? I'll have to look up the exact reading, but I believe he(Paul) said that to eat the bread & drink the wine unworthily was to eat & drink death upon yourself. If this was only bread & wine, why would it be so dangerous?
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So, if Christ only meant that the bread & wine "represented" his body & blood, why did his message of "eating of the flesh & drinking the blood" scare off so many of his followers? Why did he do nothing to clarify this?
You'll have to be more specific. I've never read where that was the case. I'm going to risk a guess based on what I think you are referring to--partaking meant they were serious and sincere, and followers of Christ suffered severe persecution back then. If they were caught partaking it would be hard proof to be used against them in court.
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And if Christ himself can say that something "is", yet mean it only "represents", why is it so impossible to interpret that a "day" may mean something more than a 24 hr period?
These are two completely different comparisons--apples and footballs as it were.
The Bible plainly tells us he took bread and the "cup", and called these items his flesh and blood. The Bible refers to "evening and morning" of the first day, second day, etc. The word used as "day" in the original language interprets as a 24 hour day. The Genesis account says every living thing, from plants to sea creatures to birds to mammals, each produced "after it's own kind".
Could a day last millions of years with God? Of course--but that's not what the Bible says.
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And why did Paul warn so sternly against eating the bread & drinking the wine while being unworthy? I'll have to look up the exact reading, but I believe he(Paul) said that to eat the bread & drink the wine unworthily was to eat & drink death upon yourself. If this was only bread & wine, why would it be so dangerous?
I Corinthians 11:28-30 " 28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
The scripture speaks for itself. It's a serious matter. The church he was writing to had gotten casual and was having a feast rather than using the two items specified, and doing it in the proper manner. It's to be a reflection on Christ's sacrifice.
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If this was only bread & wine,
Tha's what the verse you referred to calls it.
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why would it be so dangerous?
It's not dangerous. It's serious and how you take it can be an indicator of where your heart is. Not taking Christ's death seriously is a big indicator.
Chad
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A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
When someone says they heard a message from a speaker and they “ate it up”... it doesn't mean they went to the speaker and actually ate the pages off his podium. This was a sacramental demonstration of His message. Today Christians partake of the sacraments of bread and wine to express the commitment to Jesus Christ.
So, if Christ only meant that the bread & wine "represented" his body & blood, why did his message of "eating of the flesh & drinking the blood" scare off so many of his followers? Why did he do nothing to clarify this? And if Christ himself can say that something "is", yet mean it only "represents", why is it so impossible to interpret that a "day" may mean something more than a 24 hr period? And why did Paul warn so sternly against eating the bread & drinking the wine while being unworthy? I'll have to look up the exact reading, but I believe he(Paul) said that to eat the bread & drink the wine unworthily was to eat & drink death upon yourself. If this was only bread & wine, why would it be so dangerous?
I personally do not hold to the 7 days being 24 literal hour periods.
LBR:, To be specific, I am referring to John, Chapter 6, verses 60-66: "many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, 'this is a hard saying: who can listen to it?'... After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him".
As to the bread & cup, he didn't just "call" them his body & blood, he MADE them his body & blood. He said "This IS my body, this IS my blood". And if that isn't "clear" enough for you, consider the following: Jesus didn't merely invite people to "partake" in his communion, or "eat up" his words. He instructed them that they would have to, quite literally, chew on his very flesh. The word "eat", as found in John's 6th chapter, is from the Greek "trogo", which means to chew or gnaw. Previous to this, Jesus uses the more common & benign word "esthios" when referring to eating. Jesus demands we express our faith by eating, in a real and physical way, his life-giving flesh in the sacrament.
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Flesh eaters?
