I think this is a topic worthy of it's own thread, so I brought this over from the "wow" thread. Credit for being the thread starter goes to cr422.
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Originally Posted by LBR A few come to mind pretty quick. One that I remember from my youth is a lot of folks, especially older folks, were strongly against hunting or fishing on Sunday, for religious reasons. The reasons you agree or disagree could be a topic.
Another I've heard is "I feel closer to God in a tree stand/on the lake than I do in a church building".
A third could be "Do you feel it's acceptable to skip your regular religious service if you are out of town on a hunting trip" or "what do you do in place of your regular service if you are out of town on a hunting trip?".
I think the subject matter could run out pretty quick though, and that's why that particular rule has NEVER been strictly enforced since this forum's inception. I didn't make that rule, and I do have a bit of lee-way on how strictly to enforce it.
Chad
Some interesting topics for discussion. I think I'll take a shot at it.
I doubt the objection based on religion that some have to Sunday hunting and fishing is based on the day of rest concept, that is, no work on the Sabbath. I say that because hunting and fishing would be recreation, not work. I think the objection may stem from the idea that Sunday should be a day devoted to prayer and study of the Scriptures. In our family we have mornng and evening devotion every day based on the Liturgy of the Hours. We all participate, including the girls. We do this after breakfast and immediately after dinner. In the middle of the day, we say the rosary, together if we're together, or separately if not. We don't feel as though we need to set aside a day like Sunday for devotional purposes. But that's our opinion.
I suppose one could feel close to God in a tree stand, but the fact is that there is no place where God is not. Like it or not one is always close to God. Gathering with your immediate family and with your faith family to worship and petition God for His blessing is a uniquely dedicated form of worship and conversation with God. In some churches it also gives the opportunity to receive the Sacrament.
"Do you feel it's acceptable to skip your regular religious service if you are out of town on a hunting trip" or "what do you do in place of your regular service if you are out of town on a hunting trip?".
We're obligated to attend mass every Sunday. The vigil mass on Saturday evening counts for Sunday and that's the option we use. (That's why I can sit here on the computer on Sunday morning.) So I, personally, believe it would be wrong to skip. We would just plan ahead to attend mass where we were. On the other hand, you might find yourself on a wilderness hunting/fishing trip where it just would not be possible. I think I could calm my conscience by devoting some additional time on Sunday to prayer and meditation. It would trouble me though, if I found myself doing this on a regular basis.
So I guess this is kind of my thinking on these topics. Would be interested in the views of others.
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I'll take a quick shot at it--may post more later. Here's my opinion.
First, the Sabbath was on Saturday, not Sunday, and was a rule/law for the Israelites/Jews. I think it's a common misconception that Sunday is the Sabbath.
I think that hunting or fishing on Sunday can tempt one to skip the church service. You go early, planning to come home in time to get ready for church...but the fish are biting too good, or the game is moving too good, and you just can't make yourself leave on time.
As for feeling closer to God in the woods, the Bible tells us not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together. However, there is no mention of a particular place or building to do this in. The Bible says that wherever two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I also....so, you can have your own little service out in the middle of nowhere if you are out on a pack-in hunt. Not something I think should be made into a habit, but it would be better than no service if you are in that situation.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Right, Sunday isn't really the Sabbath. But I grew up in southern Missouri, back in the hills. And some folks there regard Sunday as a new Sabbath and try to observe the no work rule. They don't do anything recreational like hunting or fishing either, just basically sit and talk. Unlike the original Sabbath, the women are expected to work fixing Sunday dinner.
There are a couple of townships in Michigan that bar hunting on Sunday. I'm not sure why, that is, I'm not sure of the reasoning behind the ordinance in the first place. And I think one state (Pennsylvania?) does also.
Yes, the Bible makes it very clear that we are supposed join together in worship. And looking at Paul's letters, it's obvious that a number of "congregations" of believers were formed early on.
The concept is found in Judaism also. You must have a minyan, at least ten men, in order to pray the Kaddish. (It has to be men, women don't count. )
Ban on. Sunday hunting had nothing to do with church/religion.
It started as a way to prevent freed slaves and working poor from hunting.
Most worked 6 days a week and sunday was their only free day
Same reason for ban on alchohol sales on sunday.
Ban on. Sunday hunting had nothing to do with church/religion.
It started as a way to prevent freed slaves and working poor from hunting.
Most worked 6 days a week and sunday was their only free day
Same reason for ban on alchohol sales on sunday.
Any resources we can look at to verify that?
Regardless of the origin, modern day opinions are the topic of discussion. Not many places actually ban Sunday hunting, and the prevealent opinion--at least in the South--is hunting on Sunday is "wrong" based on religious reasons, much like cr422 cited. When I was a kid, it was pretty much exactly as he cited, but some opinions have changed some since then.
Although it has nothing to do with the topic, as best I can tell most places don't sell alchohol on Sundays for religious reasons as well--or at least the religious vote is what keeps the Sunday ban in place.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
This isn't Stephanie (sachiko). I just don't feel like logging off and on and off. LOL.
The Sunday ban on alcohol is definitely religion based. Michigan up until a few months ago banned Sunday sales before noon. Why? Well because you were supposed to be attending church on Sunday morning, not drinking adult beverages.
Okay, I give you back to sachiko. (The sheep sneaked in.)
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I heard Jesus He drank wine and I bet we'd get along just fine.
A friend of mine was at my shop earlier today and he commented "my daddy would smack me if he knew I was working on Sunday". He was doing some electrical work out back as a favor to me. He felt the same way I do about it--seems a lot of folks, especially our parents and grandparents generation and back, brough Sabbath laws over to Sunday--no hunting, no fishing, no working on Sunday...although it didn't seem to bother them for the women to cook most of the day on Sunday.....
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
I do hunt on Sundays, but I do not miss church to hunt. Often times my sunday mornings I'll be in the stand. Back in time for Sunday School and church, and then also evening service too and wednesdays. I like church, so I'm not tempted to skip. If I ever did hit a deer and need to track it or something, church would still be priority, it would give it time to lay down anyway.
If for some reason I need to miss a service due to travelling or something, I don't beat myself up over it. I don't think God is monitoring our attendance as much as he is our heart. WHen I do need to miss I still try to set extra time aside that day for study and prayer and worship.
-Jake
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MD has recently begun to allow some Sunday hunting. It's been incremental, but gaining momentum and will probably be allowed on all Sundays during the season in a few years. I don't like it. First, I feel that it tempts many (including me) to go hunting instead of "assembling yourselves together" as we are told. Even though I have the ability to legally hunt on certain Sundays, I have yet to ever go. If I did, I would return home in time to go to church. Secondly, esp during the gun season, I don't like hearing guns going off all around when I'm relaxing at home after church. I also like the "day off" that the deer get if there's one day a week when they're not being pursued. They probably relax just a little and that wouldn't hurt when you head back out.
Hunting on Sunday
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(The sheep sneaked in.)
