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Old 05-07-2011, 09:17 AM   #1
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What is the great fear that so often accompanies the mention of "Death"? Is it the fear of that which is "known", such as the past life that has been lived? Or is it the "unknown"? Or is it some other factor?
Does death have any effect upon the soul? Or is its effects confined to the fleshly functions of the mortal body? Is the body capable of feeling and knowing anything during the time awaiting the ressurection of the dead? Where does the soul go upon the death of the fleshly body? What are the functions, if any, of the soul during the time prior to the ressurection of the dead. Compare the soul of the sinful man and the soul of the righteous man? Compare the first death to the second death.
IMO there is much to be learned about death and a good exchange of ideas, thought, and openions could be very beneficial. Any comments?
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Old 05-08-2011, 03:48 AM   #2
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The one thing for sure brother it is inevitable and we shall all taste of it. I imagine that a lost soul would fear death, but to the children of God, it’s only the ticket to the train ride home!
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Old 05-08-2011, 06:01 AM   #3
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the problem with talking about death is there are so many misconceptions .face it you all dont want to believe that death is the end of you. and thats were mythology gets into the mix. you are a soul, for now a living soul. yet one day it's going to get you, you will die .to some it comes to some surprise that thats not what is in the the written word of God it does not say you live on, mythology does, its also a very prominent concept of pagan religion's.
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the problem with talking about death is there are so many misconceptions .face it you all dont want to believe that death is the end of you. and thats were mythology gets into the mix. you are a soul, for now a living soul. yet one day it's going to get you, you will die .to some it comes to some surprise that thats not what is in the the written word of God it does not say you live on, mythology does, its also a very prominent concept of pagan religion's.

Well this could be a start to an inlightening discussion with a little effort. However to expose a "misconception" is with some form of proof, sound reasoning, or logic, ect. Mythology also needs some attention. Mythology and fact must be proven as such. False teachings need to be confronted with undisputed truth. Truth must be excepted by both parties before it can either prove or disprove a theory, view, or idea. Therefore we are not likely to prove anything unto all involved, however, we can offer the reasons behind the views that we put forth.
I have several views that I tend to believe and I will be setting them forth, but I would like to get some more feed back before I get to that.
"for now we are a living soul", Do you mean that we will at some point in time become less than a "living soul"?
"You will die." "You all don't want to believe that death will be the end of you." Are you saying that the death of the body, is also the end of the soul? That is what I see written, however I know the teaching of the 144,000 you often mention would tell me that what is written, and what is believed are two different things.
Matt 10:28 leads me to believe that man consists of a body and a soul. Mark 12:30 Man may kill the body, but not the soul. Mythology based upon the words of the scripture? Is Jehovah the author of mythology? What is the truth?
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Old 05-09-2011, 04:20 PM   #5
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(Heb., ne′phesh [נפׁש]; Gr., psy‧khe′ [ψυχή]) as used in the Scriptures show “soul” to be a person, an animal, or the life that a person or an animal has.
The difficulty lies in the fact that the meanings popularly attached to the English word “soul” stem primarily, not from the Hebrew or Christian Greek Scriptures, but from ancient Greek philosophy, actually pagan religious thought. Greek philosopher Plato, for example, quotes Socrates as saying: “The soul, . . . if it departs pure, dragging with it nothing of the body, . . . goes away into that which is like itself, into the invisible, divine, immortal, and wise, and when it arrives there it is happy, freed from error and folly and fear . . . and all the other human ills, and . . . lives in truth through all after time with the gods.”—Phaedo, 80, D, E; 81, A.
In direct contrast with the Greek teaching of the psy‧khe′ (soul) as being immaterial, intangible, invisible, and immortal, the Scriptures show that both psy‧khe′ and ne′phesh, as used with reference to earthly creatures, refer to that which is material, tangible, visible, and mortal.
yes i said living souls....... a dead soul is someone that is no longer alive
some of the problem your having with Matt 10:28 is your thinking is in the here and now , there are events yet in the future ,I'm speaking of the resurrection of the dead,were the dead souls will live again.
if those resurrected ones do not choose to live the way thats asked of them they then fall in to a judgment of more than death,all hope for them is gone.
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Now that we have had our lessons in Heb., English, and Greek, I,m no smarter than before. We seem to know about earthly language, but what about the language of God? What does God tell us about this thing called death.
God created man and then breathed into him his breath and Man became a living soul. But man wasn't a living soul until God breathed into him. John 20:22 Jesus breathed on them and said unto them, receive the Holy Ghost. Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapened in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. Is man born dead to sin, or alive to God? John sait, that which is flesh, is flesh, that which is Spirit is Spirit. Marvel not that I say unto you, Ye must be born again.
You say that a dead soul shows that the soul is no longer alive. Does death have to have been alive before it can be dead?
Col 1:13 He hath translated us into The Kingdom of His dear Son. "Hath" being pastense. Already done it, not will do it. Eph 2:1 You hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sin. Ro 6:11 reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.Now back to the thing we call death. Looking at cat's qoute

(Heb., ne′phesh [נפׁש]; Gr., psy‧khe′ [ψυχή]) as used in the Scriptures show “soul” to be a person, an animal, or the life that a person or an animal has.

When a man ends his sojourn here, what happens when the last breath is exhaled and the man expires? What changes take place behind the scene with the inter man?
What was meant when the scripture said, "to be absent from the flesh is to be home with the Lord?
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There are those who would have us to believe that they are christian who have and still teach that the soul is merely a life force or principle which animates the body. Thus when the body dies, the soul also ceases to exist. Hence a person at death is similar to a beast, no different from a dead dog. Published in a book intitled strangely, "Let God be true".
If this is compared to scriptures such as Phil 1:21-24 & II Cor. 5:6-8 we must either disagree or believe that heaven will be filled with beasts and dead dogs.
John 11:14+25-26. Lazarus died, and lived again here upon the earth. Jesus also said that if we live and believe in Jesus we would never die. Never is a long, long time!
John 14:1-4 Jesus makes a very simple and plain statement with these words; "If it were not so, I would have told you". This applies to all of Gods words, if is wasn't true, they would not have been spoken!
What effect does being born again of the water and of The Spirit, have upon this cycle of live and death? What was said when it was written, " on such the 2nd death hath no power"?
If you fellows know what you believe about death, dying, living again, ect. give us some imput here. If you don't know what you believe, ask some question so we may all profit by looking into the uncertain.
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:07 AM   #8
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The Lord told the thief on the cross “Today thou shalt be with me in Paradise. “ Where is paradise and what is it?

Alma 40:11-12 in The Book of Mormon
11Now, concerning the state of the soul between death and the resurrection—Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, yea, the spirits of all men, whether they be good or evil, are taken home to that God who gave them life.
12And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness which is called Paradise a state of rest, a state of peace where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow.
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“Today thou shalt be with me in Paradise. “
1 Peter 3:19 says that Jesus went and preached unto the spirits in prison. Were these spirits confined in paradise? If not in Paradise, then where were they? Today would have been immediate, as Jesus wasn't killed until the time of the slaying of the Passover Lamb. The Jewish day started anew at 6 o'clock, at the going down of the Sun, not the rising. Notice in the days of creation, the evening and the morning were the 1st day, ect.
When then did Jesus leave Paradise and preach unto the prisoners?
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Old 05-10-2011, 10:48 AM   #10
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A vision given to President Joseph F. Smith in Salt Lake City, Utah, on 3 October 1918. In his opening address at the 89th Semiannual General Conference of the Church, on 4 October 1918, President Smith declared that he had received several divine communications during the previous months. One of these, concerning the Savior’s visit to the spirits of the dead while his body was in the tomb, President Smith had received the previous day. It was written immediately following the close of the conference. On 31 October 1918, it was submitted to the counselors in the First Presidency, the Council of the Twelve, and the Patriarch, and it was unanimously accepted by them.
1–10 , President Joseph F. Smith ponders upon the writings of Peter and our Lord’s visit to the spirit world; 11–24, President Smith sees the righteous dead assembled in paradise and Christ’s ministry among them; 25–37, He sees how the preaching of the gospel was organized among the spirits; 38–52, He sees Adam, Eve, and many of the holy prophets in the spirit world who considered their spirit state before their resurrection as a bondage; 53–60, The righteous dead of this day continue their labors in the world of spirits.

1On the third of October, in the year nineteen hundred and eighteen, I sat in my room pondering over the scriptures;
2And reflecting upon the great atoning sacrifice that was made by the Son of God, for the redemption of the world;
3And the great and wonderful love made manifest by the Father and the Son in the coming of the Redeemer into the world;
4That through his atonement, and by obedience to the principles of the gospel, mankind might be saved.
5While I was thus engaged, my mind reverted to the writings of the apostle Peter, to the primitive saints scattered abroad throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, and other parts of Asia, where the gospel had been preached after the crucifixion of the Lord.
6I opened the Bible and read the third and fourth chapters of the first epistle of Peter, and as I read I was greatly impressed, more than I had ever been before, with the following passages:
7“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
8“By which also he went and preached unto the spirits inaprison;
9“Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” (1 Peter 3:18–20.)
10“For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1 Peter 4:6.)
11As I pondered over these things which are written, the eyes of my understanding were opened, and the Spirit of the Lord rested upon me, and I saw the hosts of the dead, both small and great.
12And there were gathered together in one place an innumerable company of the spirits of the just, who had been faithful in the testimony of Jesus while they lived in mortality;
13And who had offered sacrifice in the similitude of the great sacrifice of the Son of God, and had suffered tribulation in their Redeemer’s name.
14All these had departed the mortal life, firm in the hope of a glorious resurrection, through the grace of God the Father and his Only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
15I beheld that they were filled with joy and gladness, and were rejoicing together because the day of their deliverance was at hand.
16They were assembled awaiting the advent of the Son of God into the spirit world, to declare their redemption from the bands of death.
17Their sleeping dust was to be restored unto its perfect frame, bone to his bone, and the sinews and the flesh upon them, the spirit and the body to be united never again to be divided, that they might receive a fulness of joy.
18While this vast multitude waited and conversed, rejoicing in the hour of their deliverance from the chains of death, the Son of God appeared, declaring liberty to the captives who had been faithful;
19And there he preached to them the everlasting gospel, the doctrine of the resurrection and the redemption of mankind from the fall, and from individual sins on conditions of repentance.
20But unto the wicked he did not go, and among the ungodly and the unrepentant who had defiled
21Neither did the rebellious who rejected the testimonies and the warnings of the ancient prophets behold his presence, nor look upon his face.
22Where these were, darkness reigned, but among the righteous there was peace;
23And the saints rejoiced in their redemption, and bowed the knee and acknowledged the Son of God as their Redeemer and Deliverer from death and the chains of hell.
24Their countenances shone, and the radiance from the presence of the Lord rested upon them, and they sang praises unto his holy name.
25I marveled, for I understood that the Savior spent about three years in his ministry among the Jews and those of the house of Israel, endeavoring to teach them the everlasting gospel and call them unto repentance;
26And yet, notwithstanding his mighty works, and miracles, and proclamation of the truth, in great powerfew who hearkened to his voice, and rejoiced in his presence, and received salvation at his hands.
27But his ministry among those who were dead was limited to the brief time intervening between the crucifixion and his resurrection;
28And I wondered at the words of Peter—wherein he said that the Son of God preached unto the spirits in prison, who sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah—and how it was possible for him to preach to those spirits and perform the necessary labor among them in so short a time.
29And as I wondered, my eyes were opened, and my understanding quickened, and I perceived that the Lord went not in person among the wicked and the disobedient who had rejected the truth, to teach them;
30But behold, from among the righteous, he organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness, even to fall the spirits of men; and thus was the gospel preached to the dead.
31And the chosen messengers went forth to declare the acceptable day of the Lord and proclaim liberty to the captives who were bound, even unto all who would repent of their sins and receive the gospel.
32Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, or in transgression, having rejected the prophets.
33These were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift
34And all other principles of the gospel that were necessary for them to know in order to qualify themselves that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
35And so it was made known among the dead, both small and great, the unrighteous as well as the faithful, that redemption had been wrought through the sacrifice of the Son of God upon the cross.
36Thus was it made known that our Redeemer spent his time during his sojourn in the world of spirits, instructing and preparing the faithful spirits of the prophets who had testified of him in the flesh;
37That they might carry the message of redemption unto all the dead, unto whom he could not go personally, because of their rebellion and transgression, that they through the ministration of his servants might also hear his words. themselves while in the flesh, his voice was not raised; and authority, there were but of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands,

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