Much has been said recently about the law and its relationship unto the New Testament believer. Romans is full of great scriptures for our learning and benefit, but look at a couple here in the 2nd chapter. V21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifest, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Note, The righteousness spoken of is that of God, or true righteousness, is witnessed to, or "revealed", "Made clear and plain", and is witnessed or testified unto by the law. V28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. We then come to the concludtion, or end result, answer, ect. that all mankind is justified by faith. By faith in what?? V24 The redemption that is in Christ Jesus!! Now on to V31 Do we then make void the law through faith? What does void mean? It means to do away with, destroy, and render useless and without effect. BUT what does Paul say? "God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Who forbids?? Paul? NO! God forbids.
The Law brings the knowledge of sin. He that knoweth to do good and does it not, to him it is sin. What is being delievered unto the church in this passage?
When Paul said, "We establish the Law", wasn't he speaking post Pentecost? Hadn't Christ already paid the price for the sins of the world on Calvary? Then what remains to be "established"?
Well I will Hammer this again, The Law was never given as a means of Justification 2nd. The Law was not given as a means of Salvation, although if one kept the Law perfectly one could be consider a son of God. The Law was given to Israel as a means of Sanctification or as a means of making it a separate nation from all others.
The Benefits of the Law were not for a future home in paradise, the benefits were and are for the here and now.
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The Law was not given as a means of Salvation, although if one kept the Law perfectly one could be consider a son of God.
If this were possible, God would not have to have taken on the form of man. The birth of Christ wouldn't have been necessary. Man perfected by his own good deeds was impossible, therefore the necessity of the 2nd Adam to do what the law could not do.
The Law was not given as a means of Salvation, although if one kept the Law perfectly one could be consider a son of God.
If this were possible, God would not have to have taken on the form of man. The birth of Christ wouldn't have been necessary. Man perfected by his own good deeds was impossible, therefore the necessity of the 2nd Adam to do what the law could not do.
God did not take on the form of man he sent his son who was a perfect resemblence of his father!
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I think we have a small contradiction here Bro. Was he "in" Christ, or was he the boss behind the desk deligating and giving orders to another?
Snooky..I beleive He { God the Father} was giving orders and sent Jesus..but they are so much ONE ...that he was in essence sending Himself..This is what the trinitarians believe..They are perfect in will and agreement. ..and I beleie that you understand how we reason and think..
..I say this because I am concerned about ya...as a friend..because no matter how you slice it..you are in essence denying the Son when you say that Jesus is the Father...When you worship Jesus in church you think you are worshiping the Father ..and your deny that there is a son..Steven saw TWo on the throne as he was being stoned.Here;s a quote form Adrian Rogers..
" Define the Trinity and you'll lose your mind. Deny it and you'll lose your soul." Snooky , I say all of this becasue I like you ..I haven't turned on you...I care about you. I won't continue to rattle on..I just care about ya..Have a great day man.. C7
I say this because I am concerned about ya...as a friend..because no matter how you slice it..you are in essence denying the Son when you say that Jesus is the Father...When you worship Jesus in church you think you are worshiping the Father ..and your deny that there is a son..Steven saw TWo on the throne as he was being stoned.
Thanks for the concern Brother and the spirit of your reply. I pray my response will be as civil in return.
Your understanding of the Oneness isn't correct though. Lets look first at what Stephen saw. Lets put everything that we have ever heard and look at the scripture here without any preconcieved ideas. Acts 7:55-60 Stephen looked into heaven and saw something, what was it? The glory of God and when he beheld the glory of God he also saw Jesus. Where did he see Jesus? on the right hand of God. We understand the term "right hand" to mean the place of power. All power is given unto Jesus, both in heaven and in earth. Stephen then was stoned, calling upon God, and also saying, Lord Jesus receive my spirit. When doubting Thomas was commanded to put his hand into the wounded side of the crucified Son, he cried, my Lord AND my God. He wasn't just Lord, he was also made Christ. Thus he was Jesus who was also called Christ. Divinity (The One God) entered into the fleshly body of The Son, (Jesus), making him Lord and Christ. God is a Spirit, The Son is flesh and bones required for the sacrifice of the sins of the world. Paul said it this way, God was in Christ.
He that acknowledgeth the Son hath The Father also. He that denieth The Son hath not the Father. Remember that in the Son, dwelleth the Fulness of the Godhead bodily.
IMO here is where the problem comes in that causes us not to see eye to eye. The unscriptural use of man made terms and phrases such as Trinity, God in three persons, God The Son, The Eternal Son. First person, second person, third person, ect. To believe these things, one has to someway come to the conclusion that there is really three Gods in heaven and earth.
As a Oneness believer, I proclaim a singular, eternal Spirit who alone is God. Regardless of how many ways he reveales himsel unto his creation, He alone is God. If He is creating, he is God alone, if He is reconciling the fallen, he remains the same One True God. If He heals, he remains the same, if he lifts up, he never changes. He is, was, and always will be the One True God. He is "I AM". Whatever we determine God to be, He is that. I AM THAT I AM.
I hope that I have made myself clear on what I believe as a Oneness believer. Any questions are most welcome. I never get tired of talking about who God is.
Hey ..{ -; I know how you beleive my friend...I just believe there are TWO actually 3 when you consider the Holy Ghost..
I hear you say often. { Soft voice here [ -;} ...that God is a Spirit..Many times in the Old Testament we have record that God does indeed have a body...
Moses saw his back parts..as no one can see His face and live.
After 40 days on the mountain..Moses had to wear a vail..
Isa. " Is God's arm too short" "Is His ears deaf?" " The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous" "Let US make man in OUR IMAGE."
There are 3 my friend...that bear record in Heaven..
What did he mean?
