This is what I mean when I say we need to stay on the right side of the cross.
Left side of the cross:
Acts 8:36,37 "And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, `See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?' And Philip said, `If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest,' And he (Eunuch) answered and said, `I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.'"
Matthew 16:13-17 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
John 11:23-27 "...Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, `I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.' Jesus said unto her, `I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?' She saith unto him, `Yea Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, ...
Left side of the cross, all they had to believe is who Jesus Christ was. Do you see any mention of His blood?
Right side of the cross:
So what is Paul's Gospel of salvation?Paul tells us what we must believe in our heart for salvation. We find those instructions in several of the Scriptures Paul wrote. All contain the same instructions.All center around the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ!
I CORINTHIANS 15:1-6 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
I THESSALONIANS 4:13-18 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For example he tells us in I Corinthians 15:1-4 that we must believe for salvation that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again. In Romans 10:9-10 If we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in our heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, then we shall be saved.
Over and over those are the Apostle Paul's instructions for salvation. All the things that most think are required for salvation are not included in Paul's instructions he received from the risen Lord. However, that does not stop mankind from trying to add things to the Lord's instructions that He gave Paul. There is absolutely no works for salvation; it is Faith + Nothing - Romans 4:5 says - "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifith the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."
In Romans 10:9-10 If we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord,
There's plenty more, but one is as good as one thousand. What is a "work"? Simple definition, it's something we do; i.e. confessing with the mouth.
To be saved, do we do something, or do we do absolutely nothing? It can't be both.
If we do something, we have a choice. If we do absolutely nothing, then we have no choice. Either a chosen few or everyone will be saved, regardless of what we do or don't do. If that is the case, then posting here is a moot point.
That one simple question I ask seems to be pretty much impossible for some folks to answer. Do we do something, or do we do nothing? The answer is simple--accepting it seems to be very difficult, at least for some.
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A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
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There's plenty more, but one is as good as one thousand. What is a "work"? Simple definition, it's something we do; i.e. confessing with the mouth.
To be saved, do we do something, or do we do absolutely nothing? It can't be both. Why do you try to discredit the Word of God? We have had this discussion before and it went no where. So why have it again?
If we do something, we have a choice. Yes we have a choice to just believe the Gospel or reject it. Ones own free will. If we do absolutely nothing, then we have no choice. Either a chosen few or everyone will be saved, regardless of what we do or don't do. If that is the case, then posting here is a moot point.
That one simple question I ask seems to be pretty much impossible for some folks to answer. Do we do something, or do we do nothing? The answer is simple--accepting it seems to be very difficult, at least for some.
Your comments have nothing whatsoever to do with the point being made in my post, and as I said above you just choose to try and discredit the Word of God.
We all should know a person has a free will and mind, but some want to base their salvation on something they do, not what Jesus Christ did when he died for our sins, was buried and raised again the third day for our justification.
I can only assume people who do not believe this and think they have to do this and that and refuse to put their faith in what Christ did, are telling the world and our Saviour he did not finish the job he said was finished.
It is so simple, but people want to make it hard.
One has to believe, so I guess that is doing something as you say. But it is not works according to the Word of God.
...and as I said above you just choose to try and discredit the Word of God.
I'm sorry the best reply you could come up with is a false accusation. The only thing discredited is your opinion, and the scriptures do the discrediting.
You leave off highlighting the part of Romans 10:9,10 for that reason. Confessing with the mouth is a "work", and it is commanded in order to recieve the gift of salvation--as is hearing, believing, repenting, confessing, and being scripturally baptized.
You continually make jabs at folks that take those scriptural referances at face value, but get offended when one of us dares to speak up.
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We all should know a person has a free will and mind, but some want to base their salvation on something they do, not what Jesus Christ did when he died for our sins, was buried and raised again the third day for our justification.
Even if you say all a person has to do is believe, that is something they do--therefore, by your own definition, you are basing your salvation on something you do--a "work". Of course you can say "that's not a work", but you can't give a scriptural referance as to why one act of obedience is not a work, while another is a work. You can only say "because I said so".
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I can only assume people who do not believe this and think they have to do this and that and refuse to put their faith in what Christ did, are telling the world and our Saviour he did not finish the job he said was finished.
Christ did it all--so that means we do nothing? It can't be both ways--either we do something, or we do nothing. One cannot argue the faith of Naaman, or the Israelites at the walls of Jericho, or the umpteen other examples of the faithful acting on their faith. There's not one example of anyone believing, recieving the promised reward, then obeying. God's sequence hasn't changed--he says it, we do it, then we recieve the gift. Ask, and it shall be given to you. Seek, and ye shall find. Knock, and it will be opened. Not "Here it is, now ask for it"; no "Here it is, now go look for it"; not even a "The door is open, now knock on it".
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It is so simple, but people want to make it hard.
I agree--it's very simple. Either we are required to do something, or we are required to do nothing at all. It simply cannot be both.
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Lets look a little more at what the Word states....
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? This tells us we have to believe before we can call on him, does it not? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
And this also tells us that preachers need to be proclaiming the Gospel for someone to hear so they can BELIEVE.
Sarge..I'm a little slow..can you please explain { As speaking to a 5 year old} what you mean by both sides of the cross...I've read your scriptures..i still don't get it.
What I thought you were going to say that those who strive to live under the works of the law are on the left side of the cross and those trusting in his grace are under the right side..However; you posted grace verses on both sides of the cross..so I'm not really sure what you are saying.Thanks for the patience.
Chuck7
First problem is Jesus was not crucified on a cross. The cross did not appear in any Christian writtings until the 2nd century A.D. Christ was crucified on a stauros. Which in the greek is a pole or a stake. Its just another man made device to take those seeking the truth away from Jesus and focusing them on a man made image. The power of the cross is not the cross itself but the sacrifice that came from it! 2nd problem is where do you find the right side or the left side of the pole?
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Sarge..I'm a little slow..can you please explain { As speaking to a 5 year old} what you mean by both sides of the cross...I've read your scriptures..i still don't get it.
What I thought you were going to say that those who strive to live under the works of the law are on the left side of the cross and those trusting in his grace are under the right side..However; you posted grace verses on both sides of the cross..so I'm not really sure what you are saying.Thanks for the patience.
Chuck7
Chuck, maybe this will help. Basically you will not find the Body of Christ mentioned in the four gospels, and all Israel had to believe was who Christ was and that was the promised King. John 12: 20-24 20And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast: 21The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus. 22Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus. 23And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. 24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
Alright, Jesus is giving them a lesson. Not until He had been, and I will use the word that Paul uses in Romans chapter 6, He had to be planted. Buried. And as a result of that death and burial, like a new blade of wheat coming up out of the ground, now, He was in a position to reproduce the Gentile world with salvation!
That’s the whole picture. And he said I cannot minister to those Gentiles until I have finished the work of the Cross. Because of that finished work of the cross, now then God can take the Apostle Paul and send him out into the Gentile world.
All of Scripture is for us. He says it himself, in Romans chapter 11, that everything that was written aforetime, which meant the Old Testament, the four gospels, they were written for our learning. Absolutely, we study the Old Testament! Because it is just the background for everything in which we place our faith.
But our marching orders, if you want to call it that, the instructions for us in the Body of Christ have come from this apostle, and we must receive those orders or we’re going to end up out in left field, it’s just that simple. Now looking at verse 13, and this is just plain English!
Romans 11:13a "For I speak to you (whom?) Gentiles, (why?) inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles,..."
Paul is saying, he’s not one of the twelve, but rather, I am the only one, "I am the apostle of the Gentiles." The Apostle Paul becomes the only writer of Scripture that pertains to the Church Age. Jesus and the twelve are constantly preaching the "Kingdom of Heaven," the "Gospel of the Kingdom," to Israel.
Paul never used the term! But, Paul instead uses the "Body of Christ" and the "Gospel of the Grace of God." See what a difference that makes? So Paul says, I am the Apostle of the Gentiles.
First problem is Jesus was not crucified on a cross. The cross did not appear in any Christian writtings until the 2nd century A.D. Christ was crucified on a stauros. Which in the greek is a pole or a stake. Its just another man made device to take those seeking the truth away from Jesus and focusing them on a man made image. The power of the cross is not the cross itself but the sacrifice that came from it! 2nd problem is where do you find the right side or the left side of the pole?
It don't matter if it was a cross, pole or a pitchfork, I don't worship the wood.
if one rightly divides the Word, he will understand being and understanding the right side of the cross.
It don't matter if it was a cross, pole or a pitchfork, I don't worship the wood.
if one rightly divides the Word, he will understand being and understanding the right side of the cross.
Of course! Because your teachings are better and modified compared to what God put together for us to know him. You keep dividing what God put together and I will keep feeding on the perfect Word of God.
2Ti 3:16 NIV - All Scripture is God‑breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 NIV - so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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