Well it's time that someone says something to stir any religeous flame that may be smoldering on this site. Did we get so religious over the holidays that we don't care to talk about God anymore?
What is a world view? Everyone has one, from the most devote followers of God, to the vilest of the heathen. Some have not taken the time to think about it, but they have a world view. Our world view determines how we receive, and perceive all of our ideas, which in turn determines how we perceive God, his word, his doctrine, ect. Also it determines how we perceive science, nature, and random chance, the meaning, or meaningless of life. It determines how we live our lives, treat our fellow man, and how we treat all creation in which we come into contact.
Basically, a world view can be described as the excepted belief, or adherance to fundmental ideas of an individual, nation, or society, as relating to God, Nature, Random Chance, and the application of those ideas in the life of the individual.
One of the most popular views is that of secular humanism which basically teaches that science has proven God to be obsolute. Most allow God, but deny his Lordship in these modern times.
This is taught in most all of the institutions of higher learning today.
Another widespread view is "Marcsism". Communism is but a branch of Marxism. Marxism is atheism as it absolutly deny the existance of God. Marcism is also readily accepted in the teachings of the colledges and universities of the world.
Then there is "Christianity", which allows the existance of God, but is very flexible as to who, and what God is, and the role he plays in the lives of the christian followers. Christians may belive in One God, Two Gods, Three Gods ect. Which although is very vague in the Doctrine Of God, who he is, and what he is, but is enough to ban the teachings of Christianity in the educational system, and also activily ban "Christianity and Christian symbols" ect. from public places.
Then there is the view that I embrace, which is the Bibical world view. The "bibical" world view is denied by the Christian world view as there is no room for the church doctrine, teaching, ideas,
openions, traditions, ect. The Bible world view proclaims that the only real truth is the teaching found within the scriptires, or bible, which is veiwed as "The Word of God", and is not open for ideas that contridict the teaching found written within the Bible.
The Bible world view, is not only rejected by humanism, marxism, ect. and rejected by the institutions of higher learning, BUT is also unwelcome in the intercircle of the "Christian" world view.
What World view do you embrace? Why?
Snooky
DEAR SNOOKY After reading them all..I don't fit neither my friend.
I'm not nearly as dogmatic as I used to be..I try to listen to others with God's understanding..there are times "I become all things to all men that I might win some." However; I'm not written in stone.Some days I'm more tolerant of others than I am on other days
.."Love from a pure conscience " is still my goal..Each day I learn more and more how I really am saved by grace and how much He really is in control of me and my circumstances...much more than I realized. Chuck7
Chuck; I really don't think you have thought this through. I don't think you are a "humanist", but to be sure, Do you think God is outdated and obsolete for this time? This is the common, "if it feel good, do it, there is no harm".
I also don't think you are a "Marcist". That would make it impossible to be a Christian as the existance of God as the "Marcist" denys the possibility of a God. "Marcism" is extreme athiesm. Are you a "Marcist"?
Are you a "Christian"? Before you answer, concider the term "Christian" simply means that one believes in Christ. It doesn't mean that he believes as the scripture teaches. Neither does it relate to the condition of the one professing. It simply separates from one from the multitude of other worshippers the many gods of the world. Among the differing views of "Christianity, so called", some exclude all who beleive in more that one God, as imposters and a cult. Others hold the "Trinity" view and clasify all others as "Blasphemers" and a cult. Those who embrace 2 in the Godhead, also claim to be the holders of truth, and all others are lost. Jehovahs Witnesses and Mormons, are excepted by some as christians, and comdemned by others. The exceptance and rejection is governed by the teachings of the so called churches and their appointed spokespersons. The bible is "open" for personal interpretation by the individual, his personal experience, his education, ect. Are you a Christian?
The Bible world view is determined by one thing only, that is what the scripture HATH said! No if, ands, or buts. God has spoken, end of discussion. That is the way it is, the way it was, and the way it will be in time to come. Are you a believer in the bible world view?
It none of the above discribes your world view, what is the view that you embrace? What is the view that determines your perspective of right and wrong? Determines what is fair and just? Determines what will guide and determine the course of future events and course of the universe?
Hello Charles,
I beleive you know my view pretty darn good. SInce you and I differ on the trinity we certainly have a different view. Therefore we personally have a different biblical view. As far as judging you to be a cult ...not really..maybe in the past but not presently."Behold the judge standeth at the door." What you beleive is between you and God...I've read the Word through many times ...and the only thing this year that really stood out was. 2 things..
A. How much influence Satan has over everyone of us..and the necessity of putting on Christ daily..
B. Do your best to beleive God loves you..if one can get that nugget..nothing in this world can throw you for a loop.
So Snooky..since I tolerate your biblical view..I guess I do tolerate other biblical views different than mine..{ -;
Chuck; I really don't think you have thought this through. I don't think you are a "humanist", but to be sure, Do you think God is outdated and obsolete for this time? This is the common, "if it feel good, do it, there is no harm".
I also don't think you are a "Marcist". That would make it impossible to be a Christian as the existance of God as the "Marcist" denys the possibility of a God. "Marcism" is extreme athiesm. Are you a "Marcist"?
Are you a "Christian"? Before you answer, concider the term "Christian" simply means that one believes in Christ. It doesn't mean that he believes as the scripture teaches. Neither does it relate to the condition of the one professing. It simply separates from one from the multitude of other worshippers the many gods of the world. Among the differing views of "Christianity, so called", some exclude all who beleive in more that one God, as imposters and a cult. Others hold the "Trinity" view and clasify all others as "Blasphemers" and a cult. Those who embrace 2 in the Godhead, also claim to be the holders of truth, and all others are lost. Jehovahs Witnesses and Mormons, are excepted by some as christians, and comdemned by others. The exceptance and rejection is governed by the teachings of the so called churches and their appointed spokespersons. The bible is "open" for personal interpretation by the individual, his personal experience, his education, ect. Are you a Christian?
The Bible world view is determined by one thing only, that is what the scripture HATH said! No if, ands, or buts. God has spoken, end of discussion. That is the way it is, the way it was, and the way it will be in time to come. Are you a believer in the bible world view?
It none of the above discribes your world view, what is the view that you embrace? What is the view that determines your perspective of right and wrong? Determines what is fair and just? Determines what will guide and determine the course of future events and course of the universe?
Do you tolerate honest disagreement about one's individual understanding of what the Bible says/teaches?
My understanding is that we do have to be of the same mind in the Lord.
Being of the same mind in the Lord does not necessarily mean that we can’t have differing ideas about doctrinal matters within the framework of given fundamentals. But it does mean that we should not be squabbling about our differences.
Being of one mind does not mean that I am tolerant of doctrinal error concerning the person of Christ, the person and work of the Holy Spirit, or other essentials of the faith.
If all those involved in disagreements in regard to Christian faith had the lowly mind of Christ, ….if all sought to be subject to the Lord ….if all sought to respect the other's viewpoint….then perhaps there would be much less reason for dissension.
Unfortunately we do not always have Christ’s lowly mind and often we insist on what seems to us an important truth... when in reality nothing vital is at stake. An equally honest and earnest brother or sister in Christ may fail to see things as we see them. At the judgment seat of Christ, it may be revealed that they, not we, were right….or perhaps that both of us were wrong.
I call myself a Christian and I hold a Biblical worldview. However, I am not as dogmatic in my views as some others choose to be.
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Jhn 14:17 NIV - the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.
I would not have anyting to do with a world view! The world doesnt have a clue to what the truth is! The truth is hidden and only understood by those who have the spirit! The truth is spiritually discerned!
1Cr 2:12 NIV - We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
1Cr 2:13 NIV - This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
1Cr 2:14 NIV - The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I grew up in traditional churches. Listened to many different preachers of different denominations. Parents wanted to bring me up right so church was a must. I can remember always having a hunger to know God. As a small child I would read along with the preachers. I remember thinking to myself that what they said the scripture was talking about had nothing to do with what I was reading! The more preachers I seen the more of this I witnessed! They all sounded like broken records. They were all good speakers. Well educated! All taught similar doctrines taught by another man! That is where the problem is. They had never just dove into the Word and tried to find the truth for themselves! Never really made a "heart felt" action to meet Jesus. It is a matter of the heart! They just took the word of teachers that this is the mode that we operate in as christians and run with it!
If they had the truth they would get as far away from that doctrine as they could! It is a lie! Many of these famous preachers going to have a very hard fall in the future when asked why they decieved the children of God!
There is one correct interpretation of the Word. It is the same as taught by Jesus and the apostles!
Act 2:42 NIV - They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Tts 1:9 NIV - He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
2Ti 2:15 NIV - Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 NIV - Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
2Ti 2:17 NIV - Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,
2Ti 2:18 NIV - who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.
2Ti 2:19 NIV - Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."
Gods solid foundation stands! If we have the truth in us it will set us free! It will give us the strength to endure the storm! When we are weak we will find power to overcome! It will turn us away from wickedness! There is no truth in a lie or the partial truth!
1Jo 2:21 NIV - I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth.
Lies are what is being taught to christians today! That is why they say you will always be in sin! You are saved by grace! They dont have any backbone to overcome trials and tribulaiton when it comes so they make an excuse! Turns the ability to get out of sin into a license to sin! But in the end their doctrine will be tested! If you dig down deep on the stone you will not be shaken! How do you dig down deep? Dive into the Word of God and search for Jesus yourselves! If you seek him with all your heart you will get the spirit!
1Jo 5:6 NIV - This is the one who came by water and blood-Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
When you have the spirit you will be given the truths of the Word of God! When you have the truths you will know it and know that it is the only way to live or you will die for neglecting what God made possible.
Hbr 10:26 NIV - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
Hbr 10:27 NIV - but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Hbr 10:28 NIV - Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Hbr 10:29 NIV - How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
What does the spirit or the truth give us?
Rom 1:16 NIV - I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
It has the power of God for salvation! The more we feed on the truths and put them inside us the more power and closer to salvation we get. Thats right! Salvation is a process! Not instant! Another lie! Sorry Billy Grahm! Teaching lies will not fair well for you!
Phl 2:12 NIV - Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
Process!
The truth of the Word of God as taught by Jesus and the apostles is our foundation. They are so important that the new heaven will sit upon them! Dont believe me!
Rev 21:14 NIV - The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
When you find the truth God will begin to reveal many mysteries unto you. Things that will blow your fleshly mind right out of your body! I could go on and on but I will not waste hni space because what I have written is just foolishness to most!
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I'm understanding Snooky diffinition as "World View" as this...not that we agree with the world but rather how we live in this present world and walki after the concepts of the Bible...
Jesus said , "YOu are in the world but not of it.' All of us on here have a biblical view as Conservative made note..but within that biblical view we have differences....certaily in our personal convictions which all come from out biblical understanding..
Is watching TV wrong ? it is for me..should I judge you...ABSOLUTELY NO!! I based my disision on Romans 12.."Be not comformed to this world but rather be ye traxsformed by the Word of God....Are you wrong for having a TV absolutely not..that is between you and God.
I go to church every Sunday..Should I judge that man who gets fed by TV preachers ..absolutely not..
Should the man who wearas the suit judge the brother in jeans and sports shirt" NO
Should the brother who drinks a glass of wine be condemned by the man who doesn't drink at all? NO
the real truth is ...we are all nothing apart from Christ Jesus..the simple reason we should live a life of thanksgiving to Him and him alone.
My friends if we knew it all..why continue to read the Bible ..Are we all still not learning? I know my biblical view has changed some even in the short 5 years I've been here..just by listening to others..I'm sure all of our main beleif will never change..such as ..
DOGMATIC CONVICTIONS
A. The Bible is without error
B. JESUS is perfect
C. If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us..
D. We must be baptized
E. There is an end and a judgement day where everyone of else will have to give an account of his or her sins
F. One MUST be Born Again by the Spirit and Water
G. Hell is literal and so is Heaven
H. I beleive in the Father , The Son and the Holy Ghost..ALL 3 being one as spoken of in the Trinity
I. We must live a repented Spirit filled life...or we will perish with the unbeleivers , ungodly and hypocrites.
Do you tolerate honest disagreement about one's individual understanding of what the Bible says/teaches?
Rich; We can have different levels of understanding, thus allowing growth in both "Grace and in the knowledge" of God. However a "Bible" view demands the release of all that is contrary unto the scriptures, when God would deliever them unto our understanding. God and his word must be absolute and final in the "bible view".
beleive you know my view pretty darn good. SInce you and I differ on the trinity we certainly have a different view. Therefore we personally have a different biblical view.
No Chuck, as I said to Rich, we have a different level of understanding perhaps, but to have a bible view, both of us MUST except the scriptures as the final authority. You also know my stand on sin as being when one KNOWETH to do good and then refuses to obey the biblical knowledge given unto him.
A. The Bible is without error
Chuck, If you believe this single statement, you cannot be a "humanist". You cannot be a "Marcist". You cannot be the so called "Christian". The only view listed, (there are many more that I didn't mention), The only group that excepts the scriptures as being without error is the "Bible" view.
Jesus said , "YOu are in the world but not of it.' All of us on here have a biblical view as Conservative made note..but within that biblical view we have differences....certaily in our personal convictions which all come from out biblical understanding..
Chuck, IMO you are so eager to disagree with me that you are answering without thinking your answer through. The "bible view" makes no loopholes for personal convictions. However the wissy-washy, so called "Christian view" does. The Christian view says that it doesn't matter what one believes, just as long as he believes something about christianity.
HOWEVER the "Bible View" says that one must believe correctly, or "as the scripture hath said". When Jesus told them that they must eat his flesh and drink his blood or they would have no part with him, many turned away. Jesus asked his disciples if they would also go away? They then answered, where shall we go? Thou ONLY hast the words of life.
I'm understanding Snooky diffinition as "World View" as this...not that we agree with the world but rather how we live in this present world and walki after the concepts of the Bible...
This isn't a world view, but rather a reflection of the view excepted. The Humanist and the Marcist both have their view, neither is Christian, and certainly not of the "Bible" view.
I would not have anyting to do with a world view! The world doesnt have a clue to what the truth is! The truth is hidden and only understood by those who have the spirit! The truth is spiritually discerned!
Ray; I know where you are coming from, but think about this. All the points that you make, you borrow from the "Bible view". What is the difference between you, me, and the humanist, the marcist, the so called christian? You and I agree, (I think) that every man is a liar, but God is true. That separates me from all other views. I may not understand all that the Bible says, but I will not argue against it. Just show me my error Lord, and I will walk in the way of truth.
It isn't about men judging other men, but rather about the word that shall judge him in the end.
Chuck, IMO you are so eager to disagree with me that you are answering without thinking your answer through.
Snooky..if this was the case I wouldn't have gone to the trouble of searching for your thread on the turkey forum..I'm glad you clarified your statement by saying "IMO" ..for I have many other things I could be doing with my time..I read your thread twice and answered the best I knew how.
My friends if we knew it all..why continue to read the Bible ..Are we all still not learning? I know my biblical view has changed some even in the short 5 years I've been here..just by listening to others..I'm sure all of our main beleif will never change..such as ..
DOGMATIC CONVICTIONS
A. The Bible is without error
B. JESUS is perfect
C. If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us..
D. We must be baptized
E. There is an end and a judgement day where everyone of else will have to give an account of his or her sins
F. One MUST be Born Again by the Spirit and Water
G. Hell is literal and so is Heaven
H. I beleive in the Father , The Son and the Holy Ghost..ALL 3 being one as spoken of in the Trinity
I. We must live a repented Spirit filled life...or we will perish with the unbeleivers , ungodly and hypocrites.
Personal convictions..
I have many..and they are personal
A. The Bible is without error : GOD word is with out error bibles however have many errors in them
B. JESUS is perfect : no not really perfect jesus said only GOD is good wich makes GOD more perfict which means jesus is less perfect, he was however a perfect man
C. If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us..
D. We must be baptized
E. There is an end and a judgement day where everyone of else will have to give an account of his or her sins
Your W0rld View by Snooky..
