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Old 09-06-2010, 07:34 AM   #1
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The son of Thomas Campbell, born in Ireland 1788-1866. Educated in Ireland and was influnced by the "Scottish inlightment" and John Locke. Alexander was involved in several movements during his lifetime. Campbell became an ordained Presbyterian minister, later affiliated with The Redstone Baptist, the Mohoning ass. Disciples of Christ, and the barton Stone movement.Campbell wrote several books and hymns and compiled and published a translation of the new Testament, edited by himself, called The Living Oracles". Campbell founded Bethany College.
Many were called "Campbellites" because of their adhering unto his doctrines and writings.
Campbell is known for his saying, "we speak where the bible speaks, and we are scilent where the bible is scilent", and "we have no creed except the bible".
Some of the demoninations tracing from Campbell and his teachings are, "The Churches of Christ", " independant Christian Churches/Churches of Christ", "Evangelical Christian Church in Canada", "Christian Church, (Disciples of Christ)".
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:13 AM   #2
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Interesting--that's more than I've heard about him. Hope your source of information on this was more reliable than the women "popping their hair like buggy whips" story.

What I believe doesn't come from Alexander Campbell's teachings-as I said, you just told me more than I knew about him. I never even heard of the man until I was well into adulthood, when someone who claimed to be a teacher/preacher couldn't answer a few simple scriptural questions I asked him--instead, he lashed out, calling me a "Campbellite".

I had to do some research to find out what in the world he was talking about. It's really sad when someone resorts to cheap attacks when confronted with simple scriptural questions. Says a lot about the person.

The church of Christ I attend is mentioned in the Bible, in Romans 16:16. "Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you." It's not a denominational name, but rather what it simply is--a church that belongs to Christ.
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Romans 16:16. "Salute one another with an holy kiss.

I thought that was an old pentecostal custom. Did the old time Churches of Christ ever practice the "Holy kiss"?
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I'm sure you already know the answer. I don't think it would matter what I said either way. Just another straw man to divert attention from the obvious.

By the way, what is your definition of a "holy kiss"? What do you base that definition on?
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Chad; I am sure that you haven't forgotter the discussion of "The Holy Kiss. Four times (including the ref. that you gave to seal the official name of the church as The Churches of Christ) we are commanded to "greet the Brethern with an Holy Kiss". You have made it a point of contention that you practice only that which is found clearly in the scripture. You have chosen Romans 16:16 as proof of the correct name, the rest of the same verse contains instructions for The Holy Kiss.
I don't practise the Holy Kiss, but have known some that make it a matter of pride that will hinder salvation. I have personally questioned you about the chance of one being saved without water baptism, you have stated that because it is written, one must obey to be saved. (my wording) By your own judgement, resisting the commandments will cause one to be lost, do you practice what you preach and greet the brethern in the Churches of Christ with an Holy Kiss?
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Old 09-07-2010, 10:29 AM   #6
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It certainly is frustrating when you can't get a straight answer, isn't it?

I've decided that I'll answer a few questions when I want, but I will not be obligated to answer anyone who's practice is to avoid/ignore my questions.

Even if you didn't constantly and continually ignore my questions, I couldn't answer yours until you answer mine--and since we can't trust anything that's written except scripture, I need you to provide me with a scriptural definition of what constitutes a "holy kiss" and the reason for it before I can answer.

Believe it or not, there are folks lurking, even on a forum dedicated to religion, that are just waiting for me to make a misstep in my answer so they can pounce and go for the throat with an attack. Therefore, I have to be informed and choose my answers well.

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Old 09-07-2010, 11:52 AM   #7
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...including the ref. that you gave to seal the official name of the church as The Churches of Christ...
Wow--can't believe I missed that one the first time around.

For the record, I never said anything about sealing the "official" name of the Church. I simply gave a scriptural referance as to why the Church I attened is referanced as such. In the Bible, the Church is also called the church of God, the Body of Christ, and the Bride of Christ. There may be a few other names for it, but without taking the time to research it I can't remember for sure.

At any rate, I just wanted to set the record straight. The name "church of Christ" could be inverted to read "Christ's church" and have the exact same meaning as far as I'm concerned. It just denotes ownership.
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By the way, what is your definition of a "holy kiss"? What do you base that definition on?

When I find the definition in the scriptures I will give you chapter and verse. I don't have any more inlightenment on the holy kiss than when we last discussed the issue. Pull the old thread up and post it again to refresh our memories without question about the exact wording. Bro Reb's pictures were quite interesting to say the least. Since you quoted the scripture containing the referance to the holy kiss and also The Churches of Christ, it leads one to question why you be insistant upon the latter half of the verse, yet totally ignore the first half.
Since the "Church of Christ" movement was founded by Alexander Campbell, and you admit that there are a number of other names found in the scriptures refering to the true church, why not call your group "The Church of God", "Church of The Firstborn", ect?? Is it not because there are others who use those names, but are separated from your group by the teaching of Mr. Campbell? Are you ashamed of Mr. Campbell for some reason? Why try to distance yourself from a man, and yet be dogmatic about his doctrine?
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I've decided that I'll answer a few questions when I want, but I will not be obligated to answer anyone who's practice is to avoid/ignore my questions.
Guess you missed that the first time.
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Obviously you missed or ignored this one too.

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Interesting--that's more than I've heard about him. Hope your source of information on this was more reliable than the women "popping their hair like buggy whips" story.
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