this place is as dead as a church on Monday morning

cataway · 08-14-2010, 04:57 AM

i know many on here like to call Jesus GOD,yet the bible so many times calls him the son of god and as it is well known a son is subject to his father ,even as a wife is also subject to a husband.
3 But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God.

Kosherboy · 08-14-2010, 05:45 AM

I pray the Holy Spirit opens your understanding, but you must first accept Christ as the Iam, or you will die in your sins.
Don't care who you are.

That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins." John 4;26
Exodus 3
14 God said to Moses, "I am who I am . [a] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' "

cataway · 08-14-2010, 06:53 AM

pray all you want ,............ its well known that Jesus is the christ , the son of the most high God Jehovah.

Jesus is in Jehovah's head ship arrangement , Jesus answers to Jehovah

Snooky · 08-14-2010, 07:00 AM

but you must first accept Christ as the Iam, or you will die in your sins.
Don't care who you are.

That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins." John 4;26
Exodus 3
14 God said to Moses, "I am who I am . [a] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.' "

Sorry guys, but we must believe this scripture, if we are bible believers.
Hebrews 11:6 He that cometh to God, MUST believe that HE is. Not that they are! If the scripture is correct, and it is, God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto HIMSELF. Not unto themselves. Jesus said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father". We can explain it to fit our beliefs by adding to and taking away from, but Jesus words are what will stand, not our belief, church creed, tradition handed down, ect.
John 7:37-39 He that believeth on me AS THE SCRIPTURE HATH SAID, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living waters. V39 (but this spake HE of The Spirit, which they that believe on HIM should receive:
Jesus just said that the way to receive the Spirit was to believe on Him as the scripture already said.

cataway · 08-14-2010, 07:59 AM

Jesus does have to be excepted as the Christ , about that there is no exception . ''I AM'' is a mistaken concept that does not apply to Jesus as God but to Jehovah , it can really mean he will prove who he is , even as Jesus proved he is the Christ , even as i am proving who I AM .

Snooky · 08-14-2010, 08:23 AM

Jesus does have to be excepted as the Christ , about that there is no exception . ''I AM'' is a mistaken concept that does not apply to Jesus as God but to Jehovah , it can really mean he will prove who he is , even as Jesus proved he is the Christ , even as i am proving who I AM .

Say what?? Except ye believe that I (Jesus speaking) am He (The I AM) you shall die in your sins. That is the way it reads in the Bible that C.T. Russell had and used. Was the founder of the WatchTower Soc. in error?
God doesn't have to prove anything, I am says it all. We believe what he has spoken, as it was spoken, or we will die in our sins. Plain and simple. Except=without exception. Do you believe or not?

cataway · 08-14-2010, 08:45 AM

do you remember ??
Pharaoh said: “Who is Jehovah, so that I should obey his voice to send Israel away? and then Jehovah proved who he is.

cataway · 08-14-2010, 08:48 AM

the ''mistaken concept'' is in your part calling jesus the most high

Kosherboy · 08-14-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cataway

the ''mistaken concept'' is in your part calling jesus the most high

1 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version)

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Since there is only One God then Jesus is God not a god.

“For in Him dwells the fullness of the Godhead bodily,” reads Colossians 2:9 (NKJV). The Greek text says: ‘οτι εν αυτω κατοικει παν το πληρωμα της θεοτητος σωματικως

cataway · 08-14-2010, 01:28 PM

congratulations you have found yet another mistake in the KJV of the bible..... how do i know?? because it contradicts other scripture which says hes not ''God '' but the ''son of God'', and even created by God. please remember Gods word can not contradict it self.
1 Timothy 3:16 (American Standard Version)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness*; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

*Godliness \God"li*ness\, n. [From Godly.]
Careful observance of, or conformity to, the laws of God; the
state or quality of being godly; piety.