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Old 05-04-2010, 09:41 AM   #1
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Darwin Dynasty Cursed By Inbreeding
LiveScience.com Zoё Macintosh
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Charles Darwin's family suffered from the deleterious effects of inbreeding, suggests a new study that serves as ironic punctuation to the evolutionary theorist's life work.


Pioneer of the theory that genetic traits affect survival of both individual organisms and species, Darwin wondered in his own lifetime if his marriage to first cousin Emma Wedgwood was having "the evil effects of close interbreeding" that he had observed in plants and animals.


Three of their children died before age 10, two from infectious diseases. The survivors were often ill, and out of the six long-term marriages that resulted, only half produced any children. According to researchers at Ohio State University and Spain's Universidad de Santiago de Compestela, that alone is a "suspicious" sign that the Darwins suffered from reproductive problems.


Inbreeding can cause serious health problems, because it increases the chances of successful gene expression for diseases otherwise rare or muted in an individual's pedigree.


The new study, detailed in the journal Bioscience, fed genealogical data on the Darwin-Wedgwood link into a specialized computer program, which spit out a "coefficient of inbreeding," or the probability that an individual received two identical copies of a gene resulting from marriages among relatives. (Some genetic disorders are caused by recessive genes, which means they require two copies of a gene in order for the trait to manifest.)


Results revealed that inbreeding was a possible factor in the offspring's poor health. Darwin's children suffered from a "moderate degree" of inbreeding, the researchers concluded. When expanded to other branches of the family tree and four consecutive generations, the analysis found an even stronger association between child mortality and incestuousness.


Darwin's mother and grandfather were also Wedgwoods, and his mother's parents were third cousins.


The study relied solely on birth and death records. In the late 19th century it was still fashionable for wealthy families to intermarry over generations. As would be expected of prominent families, their genealogical records were also in excellent condition.


When genealogical records are not available, scientists interested in genetic heritage must rely on DNA and radiological analysis of bone samples - a type of research recently utilized for mummies.


In fact, this past February, an international team announced that a high degree of inbreeding was the likely explanation for boy pharoah King Tutankamun's early death and frail, club footed frame. And research published last year showed the termination of the Habsburg dynasty that ruled Spain for nearly 200 years may have been a result of frequent inbreeding.

NO WONDER HE HAD SO MANY TWISTED IDEAS.
Evolutionist may suffer from inbreeding.
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To put it as simply as I can, "Darwin was right"
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That is very simple. It's wrong, but it's simple.

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Did Darwin have a faulty brain? Well with regard to the impact his ideas have had and still do have on science it really doesn't matter. Anything about his character, intelligence, genetic defects, or any other flaw one might use to demean him is irrelevant to an argument either against or in favor of evolution. Ideas stand or fall independent of the man.
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Did Darwin have a faulty brain? Well with regard to the impact his ideas have had and still do have on science it really doesn't matter. Anything about his character, intelligence, genetic defects, or any other flaw one might use to demean him is irrelevant to an argument either against or in favor of evolution. Ideas stand or fall independent of the man.
That's about right. It wouldn't matter if Darwin had been a gay, one-legged kleptomaniac, with a cat dander allergy. His work is measured by it's own standards. Besides it's not really relevant to focus on Darwin. The field really consists of the many thousands of pieces of research done by the thousands of people since Darwin. And if it hadn't been Darwin, it would have been somebody else. If Edison had become a shoe saleman, would we have to post on HNI by candlelight?
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That's about right. It wouldn't matter if Darwin had been a gay, one-legged kleptomaniac, with a cat dander allergy. His work is measured by it's own standards. Besides it's not really relevant to focus on Darwin. The field really consists of the many thousands of pieces of research done by the thousands of people since Darwin. And if it hadn't been Darwin, it would have been somebody else. If Edison had become a shoe saleman, would we have to post on HNI by candlelight?
The many thousands have not being able to push Evolution from a theory to a fact.
I didn't know Edison invented the internet, I thought it was AL Gore
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The many thousands have not being able to push Evolution from a theory to a fact.
Evolution, just like Relativity, Gravitation and Electromagnetism, will always be a "theory". In science, all explanations for natural phenomenon are accepted tentatively and are potentially subject to revision. To a scientist, a theory is a body of observations, facts and evidence that provides the best explanation available for the phenomenon. While Evolution is technically a "theory", the vast majority of scientists treat it as a fact and will continue to do so until a better explanation for the diversity of species comes along.
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evolution, or the bible, it doesnt matter....we are all related...so incest is to what extent? not just incest.

and he invented the light bulb, not the computer....hence the "candle light"
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Evolution, just like Relativity, Gravitation and Electromagnetism, will always be a "theory".
There's some truth there. Evolution will never graduate past being a theory. It wil be debunked by pretty much all but the k-ooks sooner or later. Many have already owned up to the fact that, based on scientific fact, the t.o.e. is impossible.

The t.o.e. is nothing like relativity, gravity, or electromagnitism. These we see in action, can repeat, etc.

On the post I removed about Noah. If I have a chance, I'll fix it and replace it. If not, this will have to suffice.

First, as has been pointed out time and time again, usually to the same offenders, this forum is not there to bash religion.

Second, it's easy to explain the attempted bash I removed, if you care to study the Bible and apply a little common sense.

The human race was very young at that time, and the bloodline and genetics much more pure. If you care to study, you will find the average lifespan of people was much, much longer then--500+ years. I believe this was, in great part, due to bloodlines and genetics being purer, food being better, air and water better, etc. You will notice that the lifespans started getting shorter afterwards.

Most importantly, God is in control. He made sure the Earth was replentished. Those of you who lack faith constantly and consistently fail to grasp the fact that He is all powerful and can do anything He pleases, including replenish the human race with a very limited number of people.

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...until a better explanation for the diversity of species comes along.
Obviously you fail to see the irony in that statement. You'll fight tooth and nail to defend the t.o.e., until something better comes along, then you will discard it like a used tissue. Christians, on the other hand, stand solid on the same facts from generation to generation to generation.
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