What Do You Think?

jrbsr · 04-04-2010, 11:19 AM

What do you think, only begotten means?

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

So what is your view on this?

Thank You

jrbsr

Snooky · 04-04-2010, 02:04 PM

To beget= Father, sire, or cause to exist.
Begotten Son therefore must be the opposite of ETERNAL SON, a term never found used in all the scriptures.

Search the scri[tures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life, for these are they which do testify of me.

What do you think my qouted passage would mean?

IL_ray_phillips · 04-04-2010, 08:47 PM

Very good question! Here is the greek of begotten.
monogenēs
1) single of its kind, only
a) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God

Jhn 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Act 13:33
God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Jesus was one of a kind. Set apart or begotten for God's perfect plan. Jesus is the only name we find salvation in! We can all become sons of God but only Jesus is the begotten. The heir of the throne that all things are built upon!

Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hbr 1:3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Hbr 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Hbr 1:5¶For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Hbr 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Snooky · 04-06-2010, 05:47 AM

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Notice the wording used here. John didn't say that we might live because of him, but rather THROUGH him. Without all that Jesus, the only begotten of The Father, did for us while we were yet sinners, there would be no remission. However all that Jesus did didn't reconcile the wayward again unto his God. Jesus declared that without being born AGAIN, one could not even see The Kingdom. It is only IN HIM that we live, move, and have our being. Jesus made it plain, "If ye ABIDE IN ME". Paul said, "If any man "BE IN CHRIST", Then is he a new creature. One doesn't join the Church of the true God, He is born into her. There, "a new birth" makes one a member. For by Grace, THROUGH faith, are ye saved.

Kosherboy · 04-08-2010, 08:45 AM

The Greek word for "only begotten" is monogenes, the very form of which clearly denotes "only generated." As monotheism connotes only one God and monosyllable means a word of only one syllable, so monogenes means only one genesis or only one generated--or, more simply, only begotten. It does not mean "one," or even "one and only." It is worth noting that, although Christ is called the Son, or Son of God, frequently in the New Testament, He is never (in the Greek original) called the "only" son of God.
The fact is, that to call Him the only Son of God would make the Bible contradict itself, for He is not the only Son of God, and certainly not the "one and only" Son of God. Angels are several times called the sons of God (e.g., Job 38:7) since they had no fathers, being directly created by God. Likewise, Adam was called the son of God (Luke 3:38), because he was directly created. The same applies even to fallen angels (Genesis 6:2), and even to Satan (Job 1:6), because they also were created beings. The term is also used in a spiritual sense, of course, for those who have become "new creations" in Christ Jesus by faith (II Corinthians 5:17; Ephesians 2:10; etc.). In this sense, we also are "sons of God" (e.g., I John 3:2) by special creation?not physically but spiritually.
But it is never applied in this sense to Christ, for He is not a created son of God (as the Jehovah's Witnesses and other cultists teach), but a begotten Son of God--in fact, the only begotten Son of God. He never had a beginning, for He was there in the beginning (John 1:1). In His prayer to the Father in the upper room, He spoke of "the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (John 17:5).
In that wonderful Old Testament Christmas prophecy about His coming human birth in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), we are told that His "goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." His human body was, indeed, "brought forth" from "she which travaileth" (Micah 5:3). But long before that, He had been everlastingly going forth from "the bosom of the Father." As noted in John 1:18, He was still "in the bosom of the Father," even while He was on Earth manifesting the Father.
These truths are beyond our full comprehension, of course, for they are all part of the great mystery of the Tri-une Godhead. Christ is "the image of the invisible God" (Colossians 1:15), for as He said: "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).
Eternally Begotten
He is not just the only begotten Son of the Father, for He is also the eternally begotten Son of the Father. He is eternally "in His bosom," yet always "going forth" to "declare" the Father--once as the creating Word, occasionally in pre-incarnate theophanies, also through the Holy Spirit conveying God's written Word (which had been "eternally settled in heaven" [Psalm 119:89]) down to man through divinely chosen prophets, then ultimately appearing as the incarnate Word to live forever as the God/man.
The doctrine of "eternal generation" was what the older theologians called this great truth. He did not become the only Son by His virgin birth. He was the only begotten Son from eternity, "set up from everlasting" (Proverbs 8:23).
The First Begotten from the Dead
But that is not all. He was not just the only begotten Son in the beginning, He soon also became the "first begotten of the dead" in time (Revelation 1:5). He was "declared to be the Son of God with power, by the resurrection from the dead" (Romans 1:4). When Paul at Antioch preached on the resurrection, he declared that God "hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee" (Acts 13:33).
He is the only begotten Son eternally and now the first begotten Son by resurrection, "the first fruits of them that slept" (I Corinthians 15:20). What a wonderful Savior is Jesus Christ, our Lord!
The Lord Jesus is not only the unique Son of God by eternal generation and by resurrection, but also by divine inheritance. God has "spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things" (Hebrews 1:2).
The Uniquely Incarnate Son
His unique human birth, miraculously conceived with a divinely created body in a virgin's womb, had also marked Him as the incarnate Son of God. To Mary, the angel had said: "Fear not . . . that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:30,35).
His unique righteousness, in both character and action, still further marks Him as Son of God, for He alone possessed the divine nature from the beginning. He said on one occasion: "The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise" (John 5:19).
He was even identified as God's Son by heavenly proclamation. "There came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" (Mark 1:11).
The Lord Jesus Christ is thus Son of God by miraculous conception and virgin birth, by heavenly proclamation, by His uniquely perfect human nature, by divine inheritance, and by triumphant resurrection.
But, most of all and first of all, He is Son of God by eternal generation--

cataway · 04-10-2010, 02:06 AM

alex ,were do you find dripple like that ?? please tell that you did not wright it.

Kosherboy · 04-10-2010, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cataway

alex ,were do you find dripple like that ?? please tell that you did not wright it.

When you tell me Jesus was an angel, I'll tell you if it is dribble

cataway · 04-11-2010, 03:25 PM

oh are you now saying the Jesus was never a messenger ?

Snooky · 04-11-2010, 07:24 PM

oh are you now saying the Jesus was never a messenger ?

Hebrews 1:6-9 And again when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. V7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. V8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne , O God, is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

cat, Are you suggesting that angels receive worship of all the other angels of God? Are you admitting that Jehovah addresses the Son in this manner, "Thy throne, O God is forever and ever"? Do you really believe that an angel has a Kingdom of his own?

cataway · 04-12-2010, 01:38 AM

if you would get a better newer translation would help you allot

a sample

For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: "You are my son; I, today, I have become your father"? And again: "I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son"? 6　But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: "And let all God’s angels do obeisance to him."

7　Also, with reference to the angels he says: "And he makes his angels spirits, and his public servants a flame of fire." 8　But with reference to the Son: "God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9　You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with [the] oil of exultation more than your partners." 10　And: "You at [the] beginning, O Lord, laid the foundations of the earth itself, and the heavens are [the] works of your hands. 11　They themselves will perish, but you yourself are to remain continually; and just like an outer garment they will all grow old, 12　and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as an outer garment; and they will be changed, but you are the same, and your years will never run out."