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Old 03-16-2010, 11:16 AM   #1
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Ephesians 3-2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Why was the dispensation of Grace given to Paul for us?
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Old 03-16-2010, 07:06 PM   #2
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It is the same gospel of Grace that was already entrusted to the Apostles before Paul was ever converted. It wasn't some private interpretation that no one else was privy to. The term "given to me", is the same as "entrusted to me". The gospel is given to every minister to share with the entire body of Christ.
If it was just something special, entrusted only to Paul, then it ceased to exist when Paul died. If it continued after Pauls death, it was entrusted to the rest of the ministers of God as well as Paul. Let's not make another gospel, doctrine, or plan for the salvation of mankind. Jesus paid the price in full on Calvary.
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Old 03-18-2010, 07:36 AM   #3
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It is the same gospel of Grace that was already entrusted to the Apostles before Paul was ever converted. When was the Gospel of Grace given to the 12? It wasn't some private interpretation that no one else was privy to. The term "given to me", is the same as "entrusted to me". The gospel is given to every minister to share with the entire body of Christ.
If it was just something special, entrusted only to Paul, then it ceased to exist when Paul died. How could that be? Do we not have his epistles? If it continued after Pauls death, it was entrusted to the rest of the ministers of God as well as Paul. Why did Peter say it was hard for him to understand? Let's not make another gospel, doctrine, or plan for the salvation of mankind. Jesus paid the price in full on Calvary.
I agree on not making another Gospel. But what was the Gospel that was proclaimed in Acts 2?

Is there any mention of salvation based on the death, burial and resurrection in Acts 2 and 3?

Any mention of the blood?
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Is there any mention of salvation based on the death, burial and resurrection in Acts 2 and 3?

Any mention of the blood?


Answer a question with a question. Did Jesus fulfill the law?
When Jesus cried out, "it is finished", and gave up the Ghost, was he being truthful?
When the disciples of John came and asked, "Are ye him, or do we look for another?" were they instructed to look for Paul?
The message has, is, and always will be, Jesus Christ and him crucified.
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Old 03-18-2010, 08:27 AM   #5
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Is there any mention of salvation based on the death, burial and resurrection in Acts 2 and 3?

Any mention of the blood?


Answer a question with a question. Did Jesus fulfill the law? Are we still under the law? Did Peter or the 12 say anything about NOT being under the law in Acts 2 and 3?
When Jesus cried out, "it is finished", and gave up the Ghost, was he being truthful? No doubt.
When the disciples of John came and asked, "Are ye him, or do we look for another?" were they instructed to look for Paul? No and why?
The message has, is, and always will be, Jesus Christ and him crucified.
This is just one example, but how could "and him crucified" apply in John 3:16, when he had not yet died?
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This is just one example, but how could "and him crucified" apply in John 3:16, when he had not yet died?

Have you forgotten the scripture which declares Jesus as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world? That the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ? That Paul declared those former things to be types and shadows of things to come, but the fulness of the body was Christ?
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This is just one example, but how could "and him crucified" apply in John 3:16, when he had not yet died?

Have you forgotten the scripture which declares Jesus as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world? No, but where did it say one had to believe in that for salvation? That the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ? Again, say question??That Paul declared those former things to be types and shadows of things to come, but the fulness of the body was Christ?
You are getting a little off the meaning of the post. Do you not see any difference?

Look at this verse, spoken by our Lord himself.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Believed in what?
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Have you forgotten the scripture which declares Jesus as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world? No, but where did it say one had to believe in that for salvation?


Jesus said, "except you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins". Just read the book and the answers are in plain sight.

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John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



See you found the answer yourself, without my help.
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:32 AM   #9
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Have you forgotten the scripture which declares Jesus as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world? No, but where did it say one had to believe in that for salvation?


Jesus said, "except you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins". Just read the book and the answers are in plain sight.

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John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



See you found the answer yourself, without my help.
Any mention of his blood in that verse? It tells to only believe in his name, i.e. who he was. How could it have been based on his work at the cross when he had not died yet? Yes it was foretold, but Israel did not understand it. Again, all they had to do was believe who he was. I know you don't agree, but we need to now rely on the Pauline doctrine for our salvation and not the Kingdom Gospel for Israel.

Have a good weekend, I will be out of here shortly and all weekend. Got to work.
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Any mention of his blood in that verse? It tells to only believe in his name, i.e. who he was. How could it have been based on his work at the cross when he had not died yet? Yes it was foretold, but Israel did not understand it. Again, all they had to do was believe who he was. I know you don't agree, but we need to now rely on the Pauline doctrine for our salvation and not the Kingdom Gospel for Israel.


Oh, but I do believe that Sarge. All we must do is the same as they must do. You say that they must believe who he was. Jesus said except you believe that I am he, Ye shall die in your sins. (I think I just said that already didn't I?) Paul said the same thing in Acts 16:31. Peter spoke the same thing in Acts 2. John declared the same truth in 1 Jo 5:20. Jude 25 confirms it also. Rev 1:8 seals it.
Sarge, Who do you say thet Jesus is??
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