I know who Jesus was and is. The promised Messiah and King who died for my sins, was buried and raised again the third day for my justification.
My point is, I see some on here that add something the the Gospel of Grace for salvation. They want to add something that applied to Israel under the law. Any change in the gospel as Paul proclaimed it, is another gospel, and the bible tells us where that will get us. No where.
i have posted it many times here, so if you don't have it by now, you will never have it.
Could we read it this way and be as correct as the wording above?
I havn't been able to explain it clearly before, so no need to try again to explain, I may not say the same thing as before.
i have posted it many times here, so if you don't have it by now, you will never have it.
Could we read it this way and be as correct as the wording above?
I havn't been able to explain it clearly before, so no need to try again to explain, I may not say the same thing as before.
That statement is almost funny.
One is saved by believing the gospel proclaimed by Paul. And it was only revealed to Paul.
If you try another way or add your own beliefs, then it is another gospel and that won't work.
Just keeping trying it and eventually you will see.
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
Is this a scriptural quote sarge? Does it say "which I ALSO received" or does it say "which I ALONE received".
Those little add-ons and taking away froms, will kill you when you start trying to put them all together.
Believe it, don't add to it.
Now you are getting it sarge.
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Isn't that what Phillip preached unto the eunuch from the book of Isaiah the Prophet? How could that be seenin Paul wasn't yet converted, therefore paul hadn't received any revelation of "special" grace that was hid from all others.
Glad you survived a couple of days labour, You need more time rocking, and less time working.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
Is this a scriptural quote sarge? Does it say "which I ALSO received" or does it say "which I ALONE received".
Those little add-ons and taking away froms, will kill you when you start trying to put them all together. Paul had already preached it to the Corinthians, he had given it to them and telling them he had also received it. And from whom? The Lord. Amazing isn't it. Is that too difficult for you to understand.
Believe it, don't add to it.
Now you are getting it sarge.
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Isn't that what Phillip preached unto the eunuch from the book of Isaiah the Prophet? Talk about reading something into the scripture??? What did the eunuch tell Phillip he believed? Here I will show you.....
Acts 8:36,37"And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, `See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?' And Philip said, `If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest,' And he (Eunuch) answered and said, `I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.'"
Any mention of his shed blood? He only had to believe who Christ was, same as in the early books of Acts.
tHow could that be seenin Paul wasn't yet converted, therefore paul hadn't received any revelation of "special" grace that was hid from all others. See above and you answered you own question. How could it be? It had not been revealed yet. Quite simple when you read as it is and not as you think it should be.
Glad you survived a couple of days labour, You need more time rocking, and less time working.
Whatever you think, but I did get caught in a blizzard, the labor was no fun.
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If certain groups, who call themselves Christian, are mixing law and grace, yet still believe that Jesus Christ died for them and rose from the dead, aren't they still saved, even with their mixing of law and grace?
The key is, do they really believe they are saved by grace through faith in the gospel of grace without works? If so, then they are saved.
Now some groups believe they have to be baptized with water, or that they must not work on Sunday, or that they must speak in tongues or perform certain good deeds or rituals etc. If they believe that Jesus Christ died for them and rose from the dead, and know that their works have nothing to do with their salvation, then they are saved (through faith alone, without an ounce of works). But on the other hand, if they do believe that doing this or that is required for their salvation (as many groups and denominations teach) in addition to their faith, then that is mixing faith and works. It is the same as that which Paul sternly warned the Galatians against in Galatians 3:1-3.
"O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" We are saved through faith. The works of the flesh play no part in salvation.
Adding in works for salvation is basically the same as telling Jesus Christ, "No Lord, your death was insufficient." That is not faith in the gospel, and I see no scriptural reason to think that such a person would be saved. The errant doctrine known as Lordship salvation makes this mistake in a more subtle, but no less harmful, way. Saying that one must make Jesus Christ "Lord of your life" to truly be saved is really saying that you must add at least a little works to your faith in order to be saved. That is tainting the gospel. Salvation is by the grace of God alone through faith alone. Ephesians 2:8-9 says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Faith does not equal works, but rather, faith is belief.
So among those who mix the dispensations of Law and Grace, the few who truly believe the gospel, keeping the works out of salvation, are truly saved, but the majority who are depending upon the works of the flesh are lost.
Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Have you forgotten the scripture which declares Jesus as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world? No, but where did it say one had to believe in that for salvation? That the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ? Again, say question??That Paul declared those former things to be types and shadows of things to come, but the fulness of the body was Christ?
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God
I know you don't agree, but we need to now rely on the Pauline doctrine for our salvation and not the Kingdom Gospel for Israel.
Sarge; Pauls gospel declared that Jesus was "God manifest in the flesh". It stated that the "fulness of the Godhead dwelt bodily in Jesus". Jesus stated that he only spoke the words of the Father which was in him.
Jesus, God in the flesh. the one who spoke Gods word, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, said "EXCEPT", without any exception, you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins.
Remember your own words? You declared that Paul got his gospel from God. Paul quoted the one who spoke unto him from heaven after Paul asked "who art thou Lord"? stated this FACT: I am Jesus. John said, If one denys the Son, (JESUS) he denies The Father also. He that hath not The Son, hath not The Father.
Paul preached nothing saving Jesus Christ and him crucified. Paul never preached a new gospel, he ONLY preached The Gospel of Jesus Christ! Paul warned that if another Jesus was preached, let that messanger be accursed.
