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I have no idea what denominational doctrine you rely on. It's makes me wonder where you really stand.
Sarge, You mean to say that you have been guilty of making accusations upon which you really have no idea to base them upon? I suspect that you have made many such statements reqarding the doctrine in the past.
Were you guilty of trying to make a brother look bad, just to make yourself look good?
Rom 16:17¶Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Snooky we need to avoid those who dont stick to sound doctrine and place stumbling blocks in front of those trying find Jesus!
Offences skandalon 1) the movable stick or trigger of a trap, a trap stick a) a trap, snare b)any impediment placed in the way and causing one to stumble or fall, (a stumbling block, occasion of stumbling) i.e. a rock which is a cause of stumbling c) fig. applied to Jesus Christ, whose person and career were so contrary to the expectations of the Jews concerning the Messiah, that they rejected him and by their obstinacy made shipwreck of their salvation 2) any person or thing by which one is (entrapped) drawn into error or sin
We dont divide what God has put together! All Scripture is profitable for doctrine! 2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 1Ti 6:3
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
These are the people spoke of here! They dont worship God the creator! Balaam is their God! Rev 2:14
But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Here is Balaam worship! Putting stumbling blocks in front of your brothers. Telling your brother you will always sin sounds like a stumbling block to me! See if it fits the current doctrine of most christian theology! 2Pe 2:1¶But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
False teaching is nothing new! It was there in the begginging and is here now. What is a damable heresies? People of an unclean sect! They deny Jesus by refusing his grace and accepting a sinful life. Thus destroying themselves! 2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
Many will follow these false prophets and their destructive ways! How many will find the narrow gate? Few! The truth is not liked and shall be mocked! 2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
What is feigned words? plastos 1) moulded, formed, as from clay, wax, or stone 2) feigned
How about moulded words. With theology and teaching of man they are going to sell you off and try to make you look foolish! Their damnation or ruin is coming! 2Pe 2:4¶For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow,making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds 2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
Do you see a pattern here! The angels who sinned are chained for judgement. All of the old world but 8 perished due to disobedience to God. Sodom and Gomorrah was made and example to those who want to live ungodly! Lot was righteous even though he lived in a sinful world! God delivered his righteous! Those who preached turn from your sins are always saved! He knows how to deliver you out of temptations! Those who perished are all example of stiff necked people who refuse and reject God! Oh they believed in God they didnt want to obey him!
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2Pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
These people walk after the things they want and despise Gods word and authority! They are self serving and not afriad to quickly throw lies at Gods children and servants! 2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. We are lower than angels! Someone else was made lower than the angels. Do you know who that was? Jesus! The angels know not to lie and make false accusation against the children of god speaking in truth! 2Pe 2:12¶But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
To many speaking from the natural about the supernatural not knowing what they are speaking about. Blaspheming the holy spirit will cause them to perish! 2Pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riotin the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
These people love to say they are saved even though they are full of sin! Taking delight that they are saved by the unmeritted favor of God! They decieve themselves and will receive the reward of the unrighteousness! 2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: anheart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
Not only do they delight in saying they are saved by the unmeritted favor of God. But they cannot cease from sin and due to a calloused heart think sin is part of christianity! Just and old sinner saved by unmeritted favor! They are unstable souls that want only for themselves! They are cursed children! I will not call Grace unmeritted favor! That is a lie! 2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
Here we see Balaam again! He loved the wages of unrighteousness! He didnt want to be free of sin because he enjoyes the pleasures of the flesh over the right way! 2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
He sinful teaching was rebuked by a donkey! Thats bad when a donkey knows teaching that you are going to be in sin all your lives is a lie. 2Pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 2Pe 2:18¶For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
Lets describe this person once again by these last scripture! They are wells without water. Jesus the Word of God. He is the Water! If you come to him in his truth you will never go thristy. These people are not teaching the truth of Jesus! They are empty wells and no truth is in them. They with great confidence promise people are free from their sins at judgement by the death of Jesus. They themselves are full of sins and they are slaves to sin. They confuse those who want freedom and are trying to find the truth! These people are corrupt and follow the teaching of Balaam not God!
So snooky I say this! Keep on keepin on brother! You are right on in not following theology and doctrine and commands of men! It is scriptural and so true of today! Words of Jesus! Mar 7:6He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Mar 7:7They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. Mar 7:8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men." Mar 7:9And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe [fn] your own traditions!
I see so many who are teaching the doctrine of one man one day and another the next. They are so confused and dont know what what direction to step next. That is seen here! Eph 4:14 That we [henceforth] be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, [and] cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
There is one doctrine to be taught and it is the perfect Word of God undivided! It all flows together and there is no confusion in it. As he brings understanding to you and its not all at once, it all makes sense! Psa 18:30
As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the Lord is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him. Mat 19:6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man notseparate." 1Cr 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into [fn] the name of Paul?
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I have no idea what denominational doctrine you rely on. It's makes me wonder where you really stand.
Sarge, You mean to say that you have been guilty of making accusations upon which you really have no idea to base them upon? I am saying you must be relying on your denominational doctrine because you are certainly not rightly dividing the Word. I suspect that you have made many such statements reqarding the doctrine in the past. I just wonder how one can get so far off in their understanding of the bible.
Were you guilty of trying to make a brother look bad, just to make yourself look good?
I just simply call it correction, if I don't tell you what is gospel is or show you where you are not seeing things as the Word implies, then I will be held responsible.
I don't know which denomination you are, but all I know it has you blinded to only accept it's doctrine.
So I guess that means that you are just talking and accusing without having a clue as to whether there is any truth in your accusations or not. If you are going to accue a brother, shouldn't you have some idea about proving your statement. Do your homework. If in fact I am following some manmade denomination, show us what is is known as today, (good luck).
I don't know which denomination you are, but all I know it has you blinded to only accept it's doctrine.
So I guess that means that you are just talking and accusing without having a clue as to whether there is any truth in your accusations or not. If you are going to accue a brother, shouldn't you have some idea about proving your statement. Do your homework. If in fact I am following some manmade denomination, show us what is is known as today, (good luck).
If it is not your denominational doctrine or teaching, then there is only one other option or thing it could be. I don't believe in luck.
If it is not your denominational doctrine or teaching, then there is only one other option or thing it could be. I don't believe in luck.
I don't want to give a wrong impression to anyone here. I am not angry nor upset with Sarge, and I don't think that he is angry with me. We are but doing our thing-setting and rocking.
So Sarge, does it become sound doctrine if it is exceptable with some denominational organization. If that denomination doesn't agree with Sarge, is it still sound doctrine? Or is all in false doctrine unless they agree with Sarge.
I really don't see how luck would play a role here in any way, unless you are implying that I found the truth by sheer chance.
