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Old 01-12-2010, 09:39 AM   #1
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Default Post that was moved here from off season?

Does anyone know where that post ended up? It was discussing how to be sure you get to heaven. I had some questions that I was interested in getting answers to.
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:00 AM   #2
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It was removed, because that same post has been made on these boards 50+ times (usually here). That seems to be the only reason the author is registered here--I haven't seen any active participation in any discussions.

Feel free to ask any questions you want though.

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Here's the question.

"If, by Christianity definitions, one must accept Jesus Christ as their savior in order to reach heaven, what about people who have never had a chance to hear about Jesus, as in the far reaches of the jungles, etc. Surely God would not condemn a person without giving that person a chance. "

Here is one answer, from 2Lunger.

"4pt, I will just tell you what my bible says. Of course there are 20 different bibles. It says that every man will hear the teachings of Christ and have the chance to make his or her decision before the Lord will return."

That is a tough question. All I can offer is opinion.

What we refer to as "The Great Comission" is in Matthew 28:18-20 where the apostles are commanded to teach the Gospel to the whole world.

In the end, it's God's decision. We cannot base our own salvation on "what if's". God is just and will do the right thing. We have to take care of ourselves first, because nobody can do it for us. On the flip side, we can't do it for anyone else either.

If we needed to know what happens to those who never had a chance to hear the Gospel, then we'd be told. Seems to me it's not something we need to know.

'Course that's just my opinion--I'm nowhere near smart enough or wise enough (or foolish enough) to think my opinions rank with Biblical Truth.

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Old 01-12-2010, 11:09 AM   #4
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Nature's God will not condemn anyone for not being among those who happened,through mere chance, to be privy to the doctrines of a particular revealed religion. Nature's God intended man to obtain knowledge through the application of human reason, not through divine revelation. If there is an afterlife, those who lived good lives in their relationships with their fellow man will be rewarded and those who lived wicked lives will be punished.

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Nature's God will not condemn anyone for not being among those who happened,through mere chance, to be privy to the doctrines of a particular revealed religion. Nature's God intended man to obtain knowledge through the application of human reason, not through divine revelation..
Says who and where does it say that ?
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Says who and where does it say that ?
Deists would say that through the application of human reason. It is not written in any sacred text since Deism does not believe that the Creator wrote or inspired any special revelation.
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Deists would say that through the application of human reason. It is not written in any sacred text since Deism does not believe that the Creator wrote or inspired any special revelation.
Who cares what deist say ? LOL
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Here's the question.

"If, by Christianity definitions, one must accept Jesus Christ as their savior in order to reach heaven, what about people who have never had a chance to hear about Jesus, as in the far reaches of the jungles, etc. Surely God would not condemn a person without giving that person a chance. "

Here is one answer, from 2Lunger.

"4pt, I will just tell you what my bible says. Of course there are 20 different bibles. It says that every man will hear the teachings of Christ and have the chance to make his or her decision before the Lord will return."

That is a tough question. All I can offer is opinion.

What we refer to as "The Great Comission" is in Matthew 28:18-20 where the apostles are commanded to teach the Gospel to the whole world.

In the end, it's God's decision. We cannot base our own salvation on "what if's". God is just and will do the right thing. We have to take care of ourselves first, because nobody can do it for us. On the flip side, we can't do it for anyone else either.

If we needed to know what happens to those who never had a chance to hear the Gospel, then we'd be told. Seems to me it's not something we need to know.

'Course that's just my opinion--I'm nowhere near smart enough or wise enough (or foolish enough) to think my opinions rank with Biblical Truth.

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There is a gray area for Christians, who do not Comprehend fully the implication of a blood sacrifice as atonement for sin.
The New Testament says where there is no law there is no condemnation.

So If A person dies not knowing the Law of God , will God condemned them to hell ?
If he does then that verse is a lie, then we have God's sovereignty that says I will save whom I will save" Then we have the the Law concerning ritual blood sacrifice, where the priest would sacrifice a goat on Behalf of all Of Israel ,whether they were present or not ,all were covered by the Blood of that animal, Isn't Christ sacrifice superior to that of Animals ? The Book of Hebrews says it is.
So all God has to do is applied the blood to those who died without knowledge of the law which condemns them and they are saved, as simple as that.
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The New Testament says where there is no law there is no condemnation.
Does anyone know where this is in the bible? I looked last night and couldn't find it.

Thanks Chad for reposting this.

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So If A person dies not knowing the Law of God , will God condemned them to hell ?
If he does then that verse is a lie, then we have God's sovereignty that says I will save whom I will save" Then we have the the Law concerning ritual blood sacrifice, where the priest would sacrifice a goat on Behalf of all Of Israel ,whether they were present or not ,all were covered by the Blood of that animal, Isn't Christ sacrifice superior to that of Animals ? The Book of Hebrews says it is.
So all God has to do is applied the blood to those who died without knowledge of the law which condemns them and they are saved, as simple as that.
Huh?
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We cannot base our own salvation on "what if's".
I'm not questioning my salvation, I believe I am going to heaven. I accepted Jesus a long time ago but as I get older I can't help but think that being a Christian is not the only way to get into the Kingdom of God.

Why does religion have to be so exclusive (not the right word). Every one's religion says it's the "Only way". Maybe as long as they teach about a God and being good that is enough, no matter what it's called.
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