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Old 12-28-2009, 01:23 PM   #1
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by Brian Thomas, M.S. *

In their recent examination of a new two-legged dinosaur discovered in New Mexico, evolutionary paleontologists were looking for new clues to untangle their conflicting theories of dinosaur origins. But instead of providing answers, the new dinosaur has joined a growing list of fossil finds that don’t fit an evolutionary picture.

A study was recently published in the journal Science on the new theropod dinosaur,1 which was named Tawa hallae after the Hopi Indian name for the sun god, “Tawa.” The Tawa discovery included remains from about five different individuals in the fossil-rich quarry at Ghost Ranch in northern New Mexico, where Hopi and other Pueblo Indians used to live. The quarry penetrates Upper Triassic sediments that were formed, according to study co-author Randy Irmis, when fishes, crocodile-like animals, and dinosaurs were “swept into the river channel during flooding episodes.”2

As is common with reconstructions of evolutionary history, determining which of the various dinosaur forms are related and when and how they merged, emerged, or diverged has been a frustrating challenge for evolutionary researchers. Nevertheless, the authors began the Science paper optimistically by stating, “Characterization of this taxon’s morphology and phylogenetic history enables us to solidify basal saurischian dinosaur relationships.”1 In other words, Tawa hallae’s characteristics supposedly bring clarity to the previously confusing web of dinosaurs’ evolutionary connections.

However, after a lengthy discussion of the implications of the Tawa finds, the researchers concluded, “Explaining these patterns remains an outstanding problem in early dinosaur evolution.”1 One pattern that is difficult to explain is the lack of transitional features in Tawa, which renders its placement into the dinosaur evolutionary tree very subjective.

Instead of possessing a collection of traits that lie somewhere along a graded continuum from one dinosaur kind to another, as Darwinism predicts, the scientists found that Tawa was “a mosaic of plesiomorphic and derived features.”1 That is, it shared similar features with theropod dinosaurs like T. rex, but it also had other features found in very different dinosaur kinds. In fact, several of Tawa’s features were described as “synapomorphies.” These are features that evolutionists think leapfrogged from an evolutionary ancestor over its more direct descendants, only to suddenly and inexplicably reappear in much later descendants.

But this apparently random distribution of features across supposedly related and unrelated forms does not fit into a gradualistic Darwinian tree of life.3 If Darwinism is an accurate model, then a gradual transition between kinds should be observed, with certain features showing methodical modifications in a continuous succession.

If the major evolutionary tenet that life evolved by one kind morphing into another kind is an incorrect teaching, then it would appear that the researchers’ use of the term “synapomorphy” is merely a handy way to bestow evolutionary approval on evidence that actually contradicts it.

Interestingly, earlier this year, the technical description given for the highly publicized fossil lemur nicknamed “Ida” also led to the conclusion that its collection of features as a “mosaic.”4 Not long after, UK researchers described a newly discovered flying reptile fossil as a “mosaic.”5 They even noted that most creatures look like mosaics of fully formed features, and that this fact was difficult to reconcile with traditional notions of how evolution supposedly works.

Tawa, therefore, adds its name to a growing list of fossilized creatures that show no indication of gradual, broad-scale evolution. In fact, the latest find was depicted in Science as an evolutionary dead-end, with uncertain ancestors and no descendants. Tawa, along with so many other creatures, displays all the signs of purposeful design.


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  1. <LI style="FONT-SIZE: xx-small">Nesbitt, S. J. et al. 2009. A Complete Skeleton of a Late Triassic Saurischian and the Early Evolution of Dinosaurs. Science. 326 (5959): 1530. <LI style="FONT-SIZE: xx-small">Irmis, R. Investigating the rise of dinosaurs: Field notes from Randy Irmis. University of California Museum of Paleontology. Posted on ucmp.berkeley.edu June 2007, accessed December 11, 2009. <LI style="FONT-SIZE: xx-small">Thomas, B. and F. Sherwin. 2009. Darwin’s Withering Tree of Life. Acts & Facts. 38 (5): 16-17. <LI style="FONT-SIZE: xx-small">See Thomas, B. and F. Sherwin. Ida: Separating the Science from the Media Campaign. ICR News. Posted on icr.org May 22, 2009, accessed December 11, 2009.
  2. As reported in Lü, J. et al. 2009. Evidence for modular evolution in a long-tailed pterosaur with a pterodactyloid skull. Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences. Published online before print October 14, 2009. See Thomas, B. New Pterosaur Fossil Forces Re-think of Standard Evolution. ICR News. Posted on icr.org October 21, 2009, accessed December 11, 2009.
* Mr. Thomas is Science Writer at the Institute for Creation Research.
Article posted on December 18, 2009.
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If Darwinism is an accurate model, then a gradual transition between kinds should be observed, with certain features showing methodical modifications in a continuous succession.

There have been several studies and experiments that show that transitional forms do not last long. The implication for the fossil record is that transitional forms may be represented in the found fossils at a rate less than their true occurance. Key here, is that they do exist and have been found.

Many of the transitional forms that IDers and Creationists claim do not exist, actually do. Many can be found during the course of embryo development in many many species. Want a chicken with teeth? They're in the nests of your local chicken farm, in the eggs.

Another big issue in palentology is the description of juvenile animals as different species than the adult forms. Several separate and related species may be lumped together.

A newly found fossil from Australia shed light on the development of filter feeding in baleen whales. It's a transitional form, in age and anatomy. So, it looks like one find elucidates an evolutionary issue, and another not so much. The work on Tawa doesn't disprove TOE. Many Creationists default to the Noah's Flood. Simple tests have shown, and do show that a literal interpretation of that event in the OT is incorrect and misdirected.

But many many people already know this...it's an old argument that was decided long ago.

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In their recent examination of a new two-legged dinosaur discovered in New Mexico, evolutionary paleontologists...

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The Institute for Creation Research (ICR) is not a credible source of information about dinosaurs or anything else having to do with science. This past year the state of Texas, which is usually pretty accommodating to religious organizations, rejected ICR's application to open a graduate school in that state that would offer Masters Degrees in various branches of "Creation Science" such as "Flood Geology". The reason the state gave for rejecting ICR's application was that ICR would be perpetrating a fraud on Texans by charging tuition and offering degrees in what ICR claims is science but is in fact obvious pseudoscience.
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The Institute for Creation Research (ICR) is not a credible source of information about dinosaurs or anything else having to do with science. This past year the state of Texas, which is usually pretty accommodating to religious organizations, rejected ICR's application to open a graduate school in that state that would offer Masters Degrees in various branches of "Creation Science" such as "Flood Geology". The reason the state gave for rejecting ICR's application was that ICR would be perpetrating a fraud on Texans by charging tuition and offering degrees in what ICR claims is science but is in fact obvious pseudoscience.
Funny ! That Evolution is a "THEORY"and some people think it is science.
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TOE is not science because it's a theory?! Hey wake up. The teeth got worn off that old saw a loooong time ago. Many of the principles upon which modern technology is based are only theories too.

The literalist approach leads down a winding, twisted alley that doesn't take anyone anywhere productive. It's full of dead ends and pathways that turn back on themselves.
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I don't have anything to add to what's been said above. I do feel constrained to point out that, once again, a thread on evolution has been started by someone who disagrees with the theory of evolution and not by one of us who accept the findings of research into the workings of the natural world.



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In their recent examination of a new two-legged dinosaur discovered in New Mexico, evolutionary paleontologists were looking for new clues to untangle their conflicting theories of dinosaur origins. But instead of providing answers, the new dinosaur has joined a growing list of fossil finds that don’t fit an evolutionary picture.


Two legged?? Bi-pedal?? Now man is going to decend from big lizards and not monkeys!! If you can't find the missing link, look at a different conection. Are we sure this isn't just another alligator skeleton??
When they can't identify the differences between apes, monkeys, men and alligators, I wonder if it is even a dinosaur.
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Believing in evolution is like a man putting some steel, glass, leather, springs, into a paper bag and believing that you could shake the bag until it produced a watch.

At least in the paper bag one could control the elements being put inside. Look around it's creation Steve Wonder can even see that!

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[quote=The Rev;3541670]Believing in evolution is like a man putting some steel, glass, leather, springs, into a paper bag and believing that you could shake the bag until it produced a watch.



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Let me finish building my new Rolex and I will comment on this subject.They have found ancient civilizations correct,and they have found old lizard bones(not The Rev's) so how about a compromise?
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Funny ! That Evolution is a "THEORY"and some people think it is science.
We also think that Electro-magnetic theory, the theories of Special and General Relativity, Atomic theory, Quantum theory and many other theories that are widely accepted by experts in their respective fields are also science. In the natural sciences, being a theory denotes the highest level of acceptance possible by the scientific community. The vast majority of professional scientists see the Theory of Evolution as being on the same level as the theories I just mentioned. It makes predictions that agree with all observations to date and is not contradicted by any observation made to date. If you want to falsify the Theory of Evolution this is all you have to do: Find a fossil of a very common animal, the rabbit, in sediments of Cambrian age (about 500 million years ago). The facts are that no fossils of mammals (which first appeared about 200 million years ago) have ever been found in Cambrian deposits, exactly as predicted by the Theory of Evolution.
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