The "buzz" on here lately has obviously been how science and the Bible are compatable, or in some cases incompatable, and how some will choose one, some the other.
Here are a few links to stories about how trustworthy agenda-driven science (like "global climate change") and scientists really are.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6936328.ece "SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based."
I asked this before, but don't recall getting an answer. Unless you do the research yourself, and get the answers yourself, how can you put your trust and faith in "science"? Humans are known to be liars, cheats, and frauds, chasing money and power--or being cowed down by it. Still some people--even some who claim to be religious--will put more faith in this obviously tainted system than in a Bible that never changes. Unbelieveable.
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Nobody is going to attempt to defend the "scientific" cover-ups and fraud?
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
It isn't a question of trusting science. It's a matter of trusting the scientist. Solid premises, correct methodology, recognition of the limitations of the field, etc. help guarantee that science is reliable.
It all comes down to the person who's doing it.
The other thing that deserves note is that for every dishonest or incompetent scientist, there's probably someone interpreting scripture who's just as intellectually dishonest and/or incompetent. It works both ways.
You can trust science if its done by a correctly trained and virtuous scientist. They do exist; they just don't get quoted much in the media.
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You can trust science if its done by a correctly trained and virtuous scientist. They do exist; they just don't get quoted much in the media.
Unless you are at least equally well trained and virtuous, how do you know the difference? I believe that type of scientist exists, but who's to say which is which? I find it easy to decide who to believe--if they disagree with the Bible, I consider them frauds and/or incompetent.
I agree about interpreting scriptures--there's plenty of frauds and incompetents in that field as well. The difference is you don't have to be a rocket scientist (no pun intended) to study the Bible.
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...help guarantee that science is reliable.
I believe certain feilds of science are very reliable, as they can be tested, cross-checked by peers, etc. I also believe that certain fields are as crooked as a barrel full of snakes, because there is no way to cross check or prove anything, it's based on theory, speculation, and no more precise than referances to "millions" or "billions" of years. I don't believe for one minute that a "scientist" who cannot accurately predict the weather for next week can accurately predict the weather for "millions" of years in the past, or in the future. I don't believe for one minute that a "scientist" who cannot tell me for sure if a flint arrowhead was made last year, in the last 100 years, or in the last 1,000 years can accurately analyze and age bones, fossils, footprints, or dirt. Why are there people foolish enough to believe the same person who cannot predict the weather for next week can predict the weather for the next 1,000 years? Why believe they can accurately age a footprint when they can't accurately age a piece of rock?
With certain fields of "science" there's no way to prove or disprove anything. Funny how the majority of the "discoveries" in these fields are those that keep the funding and grants coming; never drawing any real conclusions.
I still cannot fathom a line of thinking by a suppossed Christian or Christian religion that will disregard the Bible over man's theory or opinion.
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Unless you are at least equally well trained and virtuous, how do you know the difference? I believe that type of scientist exists, but who's to say which is which? I find it easy to decide who to believe--if they disagree with the Bible, I consider them frauds and/or incompetent.
Albert Einstein did not agree that the bible accurately describes the origin and nature of the Universe. He actually described the bible as "childish". Would you consider Einstein to be scientifically incompetent or a fraud? Keep in mind that his Theories of Special Relativity in 1905 and General Relativity in 1915 revolutionized physics and have been confirmed by every experiment done and observation made to date.
Someone who knows all about the bible but nothing about actual sciences, such as physics and chemistry, has basically no chance of being able to distinguish between good and bad science.
Albert Einstein did not agree that the bible accurately describes the origin and nature of the Universe. He actually described the bible as "childish". Would you consider Einstein to be scientifically incompetent or a fraud? Keep in mind that his Theories of Special Relativity in 1905 and General Relativity in 1915 revolutionized physics and have been confirmed by every experiment done and observation made to date.
I need more information to develop an informed opinion, but based on what you said I'd say that he was either incompetent or sadly misinformed concerning the Bible. Evidently he knew his stuff with phyics. I've read that Einstein slept a minimum of 16 hours a day--since he was a physics genious, I guess we should all adopt his work ethic?
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Someone who knows all about the bible but nothing about actual sciences, such as physics and chemistry, has basically no chance of being able to distinguish between good and bad science.
In your opinion. I can think of two ways without thinking hard: 1. If it contradicts the Bible, and 2. If the "scientists" get caught talking about a scam they are pulling off on the entire world and threatening to destroy all evidence that contradicts their agenda.
Care to explain how someone who doesn't believe the Bible can distinguish between good and bad science without being at least as educated on a topic as the scientist making a claim (or catching them in obvious fraud)? Primarily claims that deal with nothing but theory and opinions and can't be verified by anything concrete.
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
In your opinion. I can think of two ways without thinking hard: 1. If it contradicts the Bible,
Does the Theory of Quantization of Angular Momentum contradict the Bible? If not, why not, and what makes it good science? If it does contradict the Bible, in what way is it a bad scientific theory. If this theory contradicts the Bible but agrees with the results of experiments designed to test it is it still bad science? Can anyone who does not have at least a basic understanding of Quantum Physics really determine if this is a good or bad scientific theory even if they can recite the entire Bible?
As far as I know that has nothing to do with the Bible, so as far as I'm concerned it's a non-issue.
I've tried to answer your questions--care to return the favor?
Again, how do you know what science/scientists you can trust or believe in, unless you are well studied in that particular science yourself?
How can one put their trust and faith in a science or scientist who claims to be able to predict the weather millions of years in the past or future, but cannot accurately predict the weather conditions for next week? Or believe in a scientist who claims to be able to age a footprint at "millions" of years old, but cannot determine if a flint arrowhead is 10, 100, 1,000, or 10,000 years old?
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Can We Trust "Science"?
