I'm saying that other men couldn't force me to change my sexual preferances--no more, no less. If you read the Bible verses that f3d tried to spin, it refers to some men being "made" eunuchs by man for religious purposes. It's a quick and simple read, and easy to comprehend.
I questioned what does the first part include?
Is it only people with deformities and undescended testicles or does it also include homosexuals?
Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Is it only people with deformities and undescended testicles or does it also include homosexuals?
Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
No it does not include homosexuals. A eunuch would be a male born with undescended testes or whose testes have been removed or damaged. Surgery can now correct the undescended testes condition.
One may not agree with the Biblical condemnations of homosexual activity, but there is absolutely no doubt that the Bible condemns it strongly.
On the other hand, sheep, and particulary lambs, get a lot of favorable mention in the Bible
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No it does not include homosexuals. A eunuch would be a male born with undescended testes or whose testes have been removed or damaged. Surgery can now correct the undescended testes condition.
One may not agree with the Biblical condemnations of homosexual activity, but there is absolutely no doubt that the Bible condemns it strongly.
On the other hand, sheep, and particulary lambs, get a lot of favorable mention in the Bible
Why should I look to the other verses from different authors to get an answer?
As I said before, the historical context of the word used (Jesus spoke primarily Aramaic with Hebrew/Greek) fits fine according to history.
Robert Gagnon agrees even though he argues homosexuality is wrong, so it can't be so obvious as to just simply looking at an English dictionary.
Ok, you found a guy that said "probably"--who is he? Nevermind...I don't care.
You've gotten answers already, but don't like them so you keep pushing. As I said before, taken in context it's obvious that it's not referring to homosexuals. One isn't made a homosexual by others, and one doesn't decide to become a homosexual for the sake of heaven.
Why wouldn't you look to other scriptures to clarify? They all have a common foundation, and a common goal. The only reason you wouldn't is because they won't give you the answer you want either.
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No it does not include homosexuals. A eunuch would be a male born with undescended testes or whose testes have been removed or damaged. Surgery can now correct the undescended testes condition.
One may not agree with the Biblical condemnations of homosexual activity, but there is absolutely no doubt that the Bible condemns it strongly.
On the other hand, sheep, and particulary lambs, get a lot of favorable mention in the Bible
Not sure about that, An undescended Testes does not mean the man is sterile , which is what qualified back then a Eunuch, Most king kept eunuchs so they could take care of their wives and House, but most were Castrated at an early age, there is lot of old history describing it.
A man with testes was not a Eunuch.
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Goodness people the entire point of the verse is this: some choose not to recreate their own life or nature, but rather they reproduce the life of Christ instead. Christ in you--your hope of glory. The word of God is in thy mouth and in thy heart. Let the word of God exist in your being. That is what true Christianity is about. Denying thy self and letting Christ live through you. Lay your life on the cross, and let Christ dwell in your richly. The entire book (bible) is about building the body of the Lord in a living people.
Ok, you found a guy that said "probably"--who is he? Nevermind...I don't care.
So you'll cherry pick which scholars are correct? The Jews interpret the OT totally different than the Christians. Why should I assume anyone has a solid grasp of the OT or the NT?
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You've gotten answers already, but don't like them so you keep pushing. As I said before, taken in context it's obvious that it's not referring to homosexuals. One isn't made a homosexual by others, and one doesn't decide to become a homosexual for the sake of heaven.
This answer is illogical. The second eunuch was unquestionably referring to eunuchs who were castrated (it says made by men), and the third isn't homosexual because it's "for the sake of heaven".
Let me use that argument against you:
That's like saying the "born" eunuch doesn't make sense because we're talking about the definition of a castrated eunuch.
A castrated man employed as a harem attendant or as a functionary in certain Asian courts.
My point was that simply during that time, homosexuals could have been included in the language used during that time period. After all, they're effeminate and don't have a sexual desire for women.
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Why wouldn't you look to other scriptures to clarify? They all have a common foundation, and a common goal. The only reason you wouldn't is because they won't give you the answer you want either.
First of all, why would I assume that it's without error? The different authors could have different opinions so...
Obviously you aren't looking for the correct answer, you are looking for someone to agree with your chosen answer. Looking for that on this board makes about as much sense as building an igloo in the middle of the desert.
For the last time, this forum isn't here to announce that you have no religious beliefs, or to denounce or ridicule religion. I'm sure that, if you tried, you could find a place where everyone will happily agree with you.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Goodness people the entire point of the verse is this: some choose not to recreate their own life or nature, but rather they reproduce the life of Christ instead. Christ in you--your hope of glory. The word of God is in thy mouth and in thy heart. Let the word of God exist in your being. That is what true Christianity is about. Denying thy self and letting Christ live through you. Lay your life on the cross, and let Christ dwell in your richly. The entire book (bible) is about building the body of the Lord in a living people.
I agree brother ..a man can have testicles and still be a eunuch for Christ's sake..many priest do this ..Paul chose to be single for life...sexless...or a eunuch Peter on the other hand chose to marry.
Folks, this came from a bumper sticker posted on the pollitical board that used those verses in a sad and sick attempt to "prove" homosexuality is "ok" according to the Bible. That is where the disagreement on the definition of "eunuch" comes from.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Matthew 19:12 (born eunuchs)
On the other hand, sheep, and particulary lambs, get a lot of favorable mention in the Bible
