I do have something constructive to say, and if you wish to rip my comments apart, do so. If you choose to use a reference for your facts, please do not use the bible, or "the word of god," because I really don't see it as a credible source. I see religion as opinion, not fact.
I really don't see Deism as a religion. Deism doesn't really make sense to me. People say that "the big bang can't just happen, someone had to have started it." Christians say that the earth HAD to be created my god, because it just cannot happen. But, why couldn't it just happen by chance? My answer to this question is "Who created god?" Most Christians say, he has just been here since the start of time. But, if that is true, didn't a "god" have to create god? If you think that God created himself, why do you rule out the thought that the universe, the world, and nature was created by a random explosion brought on my time, energy, and matter. Which makes more sense. If god has existed forever, why cannot matter and space have been around forever, that seems like a more logical explanation. I mean, we have proven that the universe is billions and billions of years old, inlcuding the earth. Acording to the bible, how old is the Earth? Please answer in a real number, in less than 4 words, without using the word God.
According to the bible, God created people in his image. So, why would he create homosexuals, if he sees homosexuality as a sin? It is proven that homosexuality is not a choice, but a chemical imbalance in the brain. So why would he give people a soul, even though their soul is doomed? That really does not seem like a very fair and kind God. Same goes for people of other religions. Why would god give souls to people, who don't worship him. That would mean that he is purposely sending people to hell. Most people do not have a choice of religion, including you! The reason you are a certain religion, is because you were born in to it. Most people were force fed religion. So, why would god create people that have never even heard of god, Jesus, or the bible? Only to be doomed to an eternity in hell, without them even knowing it? Also, did God technically kill Jesus, or did Jesus commit suicide? I mean, he did "give his life for our sins." Correct me if I am wrong.
How can people think that Christianity is the true religion? Wouldn't it make more sense for the first, original religion to be the right one? What makes Christianity right? The bible, the word of God, faith, or believing is not proof, it is opinion.
To me it seems that we have more evidence that there are Aliens, before there is a God. The only "proof" that God exists, is people writing a book of God's word. The bible has been changed and altered so many times over thousands of years, how can people trust it? If "god" proclaims he is the "true god," doesn't that just kind of rule out his own credibility? I mean, if I claim I am the best chess player in the world, but the only facts I have is a book that some friends wrote about me, telling stories of how I could play 7 billion games at one time (7 billion people on earth), unfold the board, set up all the pieces and win, all of that with my mind, and win because I can also see the future. Also, if people don't believe me, I will just destroy the world! Even the people who don't know how to play chess, because it is not my fault I never taught them how to play chess.
I think the world would actually be a better place without religion. Everyone should get along, because it is the right thing to do! Most people hate others, based on religion. I am not just talking about Christianity. You should obey laws, be kind to neighbors, do good, etc. etc. because it is just right!!! Not because a book told you to! Peace out!
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Christianity just makes no sense at all. There is no logic nor reason. The goddess of reason is the one with the answers, just look at it and you will see cleary the facts.
There was nothing, and without any intervention of a higher power which never existed, nothing suddenly became something that never was, but instantly came into existance, It stands to reason, nothing can explode that isn't there. Thats sound reasoning, no help from God or any being because there was none, use common sense folks. When nothing, suddenly became something, there was no knowledge of explosives and nothing became a huge bomb beyond comprehension that exploded with such force that it destroyed a universe of nothing and in the resulting fall-out, all that nothing that didn't exist decided to turn into a universe of suns, moons, stars, galaxies, earth, gases, living organisms, and apes that didn't like being illierate and turned themselves into humans. Now why couldn't that have happened? And you expect me to believe in a God that created all that I see and know?? God gave me more sense than that!
Everyone is some body else's fool! I think I will remain a fool for Christ.
Everyone is some body else's fool! I think I will remain a fool for Christ.
I fully respect that, you are not losing anything by worshiping God, and who knows, you may be gaining something. But, when people tell me the universe, 100%, had to have been created by God, they are very close-minded! But, who created God??? If your answer is "He has always been around." Then, why isn't it possible that nobody created the universe, and "it has just always been around?"
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Last edited by nick_bleuer76; 11-03-2009 at 05:45 AM.
Nick; If you really believe that I am not losing anything by believing in creation, Why are you on here trying to convert someone away from Christianity? If you aren't looking for a convert, then it stands to reason, you are looking for answers to questions that would bother you. Are you sure, that you are sure??
The reason you are not loosing anything is because there is really no downside to believing in Christ. The only downside is that you spent a lot of time and money worshiping. I am not trying to convert anyone, I am just trying to better understand the minds of Christians. I have been on the fence for awhile, but when it came down to it, I just don't think I can believe in something I have never seen or felt. Maybe someday, "god" will touch me with his grace, but I don't see it happening.
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"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance."
I fully respect that, you are not losing anything by worshiping God, and who knows, you may be gaining something. But, when people tell me the universe, 100%, had to have been created by God, they are very close-minded! But, who created God??? If your answer is "He has always been around." Then, why isn't it possible that nobody created the universe, and "it has just always been around?"
As I posted on the other thread dealing with this topic, the Universe must have a finite age. If the Universe had always existed it would have reached its state of maximum entropy by now and the stars would not be able to shine. We know the Universe came into being through the Big Bang about 13.7 billion years ago and that the laws of physics break down a fraction of a second before time = 0. That is why I see Deism as the best explanation for our existence. It allows for the creation of the Universe but dispenses with the bible, koran and other sacred texts of revealed religions which you correctly point out are simply somebody's opinion and not backed by facts.
The reason you are not loosing anything is because there is really no downside to believing in Christ. The only downside is that you spent a lot of time and money worshiping.
I agree, I have absolutely nothing to lose by being a Christian, but stand to gain more than the mind can comprehend if, (and I beleive beyond doubt that there is) there is a God.
If there is a God, (there is) those who fail to acknowledge him, have nothing to even hope for if they are wrong.
Some one will win the lottery, I don't know who, but this I do know, It will be someone who took the time to buy a ticket.
The saying, "Nothing ventured, nothing gained" is never more true than when it comes to faith in God.
When nothing, suddenly became something, there was no knowledge of explosives and nothing became a huge bomb beyond comprehension that exploded with such force that it destroyed a universe of nothing and in the resulting fall-out, all that nothing that didn't exist decided to turn into a universe of suns, moons, stars, galaxies, earth, gases, living organisms, and apes that didn't like being illierate and turned themselves into humans. Now why couldn't that have happened? And you expect me to believe in a God that created all that I see and know?? God gave me more sense than that!
Thoughts of Religion, by a fresh Athiest...
