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Old 06-07-2009, 06:27 AM   #1
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Do all Independent Baptist believers embrace the "Baptist Bride" theory, or "Landmark" doctrine? If there are those who fail to embrace the "Baptist Bride" teaching, can they preach, teach, or hold office within an Independent Baptist Church?
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Old 06-07-2009, 09:58 AM   #2
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Do all Independent Baptist believers embrace the "Baptist Bride" theory, or "Landmark" doctrine? If there are those who fail to embrace the "Baptist Bride" teaching, can they preach, teach, or hold office within an Independent Baptist Church?
I guess not, I am not sure what you are asking. Is this something you heard about?
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Old 06-07-2009, 07:06 PM   #3
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A "Baptist Brider" is an extreme Baptist who believes that "The Baptist Church" is the Bride of Christ. All other Christians supposedly make up the FAMILY of God, but are not part of THE BRIDE. The details of this heresy differ from one group to the next, but the general teaching is that The Baptist Church(whatever that is!) has existed since the time of Christ (some say John the Baptist) and that "approved" water baptism actually places a believer into the bride. Water baptisms that are not approved are considered "alien" baptisms and are not honored by the Baptist Bride churches. This leaves "aliens" like Bob Jones Sr., John Wesley, George Whitfield, and Martin Luther out of the bride, while the Bridegroom rides off into the sunset with His proud and conceited Baptist sweetheart. However, finding someone who will ADMIT to being a "brider" is not an easy task. Just like the Campbellites, they hate the name, but love the doctrine.


A search on the baptist bride will provide a large number of references of the subject.
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Old 06-08-2009, 06:39 AM   #4
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There are many in that category Snooky, what a shame! They swallow the fruit, and choke on the seed.
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Old 06-09-2009, 07:26 AM   #5
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I'm an Independent Baptist and have never even heard of this.I don't believe any of those heresys either . . . except, of course, that we'll be the only ones there! LOL!

I'M JOKING BROTHERS!!! I plan on talking to many of y'all there and we'll see whowas right onsome of thedoctrinal differences we've discussed.
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Old 06-10-2009, 04:24 AM   #6
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Do all Independent Baptist believers embrace the "Baptist Bride" theory, or "Landmark" doctrine? If there are those who fail to embrace the "Baptist Bride" teaching, can they preach, teach, or hold office within an Independent Baptist Church?
I believe all TRULY saved people are the Bride of Christ and it doesn't matter whether they are Baptist or whatever.
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Old 06-10-2009, 06:21 AM   #7
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I believe all TRULY saved people are the Bride of Christ and it doesn't matter whether they are Baptist or whatever.

My question here is, Who are the TRULY saved? When is one truly saved?

The prodigal son, according to the Father, was born a living son. Then by his choice and actions, became dead. He no longer had life as a son. When he repented of what he had done, the Father declaired him to be alive again. He was alive, be was dead, the he was alive again. Is one alive for all eternity at his beginning, or when he has endured until the end?
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I believe all TRULY saved people are the Bride of Christ and it doesn't matter whether they are Baptist or whatever.

My question here is, Who are the TRULY saved? When is one truly saved?

The prodigal son, according to the Father, was born a living son. Then by his choice and actions, became dead. He no longer had life as a son. When he repented of what he had done, the Father declaired him to be alive again. He was alive, be was dead, the he was alive again. Is one alive for all eternity at his beginning, or when he has endured until the end?
Here it is as plain as the nose on your face:


HOW DO I KNOW FOR SURE I AM GOING TO HEAVEN????

In II Corinthians 4:3-4 the Apostle Paul tells us that Satan has the power to hide the Gospel of salvation, as he can blind them who believe not.

In II Corinthians 13:5 Paul tells us to: Examine ourselves whether we are in the faith; and whether Jesus Christ is in you.

The Apostle Paul gives very clear instructions on this subject of becoming a believer. In fact he warns mankind that his instructions are the only way to get to heaven. We find that warning in Galatians 1:6-9.
Paul also tells us that lost mankind in this Church Age will be judged by his Gospel of salvation. Romans 2:16

So what is Paul's Gospel of salvation? Paul tells us what we must believe in our heart for salvation. We find those instructions in several of the Scriptures Paul wrote. All contain the same instructions. All center around the death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ!

For example he tells us in I Corinthians 15:1-4 that we must believe for salvation that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again. In Romans 10:9-10 If we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in our heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, then we shall be saved.

Paul tells us basically the same thing for the qualification to someday meet the Lord in the air when He comes for the true Church believers to take them to heaven. I Thessalonians 4:14-17 says: "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again "¦" Then we too will rise to meet the Lord in the air with our new body which we will receive at that time. This is a free gift from God to mankind. Ephesians 2:8-9

Over and over those are the Apostle Paul's instructions for salvation. All the things that most think are required for salvation are not included in Paul's instructions he received from the risen Lord. However, that does not stop mankind from trying to add things to the Lord's instructions that He gave Paul.

There is absolutely no works for salvation; it is Faith + Nothing - Romans 4:5 says - "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifith the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

Snooky, I don't know what you are looking for, but I don't think you can see the forest for the trees.
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Is abiding in the vine a work???

If you notice in John 15 we have 2 kinds of branches.IN HIM..

The unfruitful ones IN HIM are BURNED.

John 15L2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:


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Is abiding in the vine a work???

If you notice in John 15 we have 2 kinds of branches.IN HIM..

The unfruitful ones IN HIM are BURNED.

John 15L2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:

Would you not agree this comes after salvation?
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