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Old 05-30-2009, 06:20 AM   #1
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I was not raised observing a particular religion. My mom's side of the family was Baptist, however, my grandfather became an atheist after serving in WWII (fighting in the Pacific Theatre) and didn't raise my mother in his family's religion (and my grandmother didn't seem to object from what I've observed). My dad's family is Methodist, but he never continued to observehis faithafter his parents stopped making him go to church. By the time I came around, may parents just told me they'd let me decide for myself what I wanted to believe.

Despite growing up listening to Christian Rock music, among other things, and being genuinely curious about people's faith, I decided that I couldn't subscribe to any one religion. I have, however, come to learn that there is a higher intelligence, or higher power; I just don't believe in any particular religion that rose up around the God of Abraham (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) or any other for that matter. Since this forum is open to people of all beliefs, I just thought I"d give a little background.

I majored in political science for my undergrad work, but I took a lot of history and philosophy classes as well before studying public administration for my masters. My father"s side of the family is staunchly Republican while my mother"s family is liberal Democrat. I am in the middle (which is understandable; if not predictable).

My personal belief system, in regards to spiritual matters, however, is rooted in science, religion, and philosophy because I do not believe these are separate truths (even though each discipline tries to arrive at their own particular version of it). We live in ONE world (that we know of), so I believe there is only one truth, and I personally do not believe any one discipline has arrived to an adequate conclusion about it.

We will not know the truth in our lifetime, but anytime one of my liberal acquaintances tries to dismiss Christianity, I reply that stranger things have happened than anything presented in the bible. After all, where does the universe end? If you try to wrap your brain around it long enough, I am of the belief that it is irreconcilable (which is an example of my philosophic point of view emerging).

The only thing I believe in for sure, then, is nature or what Thomas Jefferson and other Deists like Ben Franklin referred to as "Nature"s God". Nature seems to have many more answers than people of faith, science, or philosophy are USUALLY readily able to admit. I believe we would be a much healthier race if we lived more according to nature"s law than our own. Hunting is part of the former while anti-gun and some anti-hunting laws are examples of the latter.

I wish our human population was properly proportionate to the world"s population of game animals as to allow people to hunt for ALL of our meat protein. Unfortunately, everyone is concerned with keeping everyone safe above all else (and disarmed) which, coupled with other concerns for safety, has resulted in our world"s human population explosion. For tens of thousands of years, our world population never exceeded 200 million people (as governed by Nature"s God/laws). Somewhere in the 19th century, however,we finally broke the 1 billion mark, and only since the mid twentieth century did we finally break the 2 billion mark. We are currently, as a result of the post WWII era, at the 6.78 billion mark!

Hunting, for me, serves three purposes: one, it is in harmony with nature so it spiritually drives me; two, it is a reminder to us, with every hunting restriction we have to endure, of this imbalance we have in world population; and three, it is an important tradition to pass down to our posterity because"in one generation not far from now"we will absolutely reach a point of critical mass where our resources will no longer sustain the human population. Many will starve and those that will be able to hunt for their own food will outlast the ones that rely solely on others to provide it for them.

Anyway, sorry about the long post, but I don"t think most people will read it anyway.



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Old 05-30-2009, 07:22 AM   #2
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Welcome Sir to the HNI religous forum.I read your thread..My wife also thought as you did at one time.She magored in Psychology and Philosophy...I simply gave her a New Testament and ask her to read it..She did...and discovered it's not like any other book or Philosophy that she had ever read before..Have you ever read the entire New Testament? If not..you really should..If you have..I'm flabbergasted at your remarks.
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:08 AM   #3
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Welcome and pull up a seat at the campfire. I read your entire post also and it looks like you're open-minded and wanting to learn more. Alex "Kosherboy" has recently posted some thought provoking material that you might enjoy, such as "The Bible is not a book of science BUT" and "Science Invisible Matter and the Bible," etc. Those are only 2 of many good topics in this forum that you will likely enjoy and find mentally stimulating.

A lot of people tend to get caught up in trying to justify faith in God through science and trying to confirm or deny the Bible through science, such as evolution, etc. Some people choose to believe only the parts of the Bible they can prove through faith. Metaphysically speaking, it wouldn't be faith if we could prove everything and God does ask for faith. Requiring scientific proof of everything also presupposes that we completely understand all of the scientific disciplines and there is nothing new to learn or any more discoveries that will surprise us at how we previous had an incorrect understanding of something.

I don't think anybody is arrogant enough to honestly think they know everything about science, creation, life, etc. but I think sometimes we do tend to refuse or have trouble believing something because we lack faith and are only comfortable with proof. That is where God comes in if we let him.

I think you're in the right place and you will enjoy the coming discussions a lot. Welcome again.
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:20 PM   #4
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Hey ! welcome, I'm also not religious.
Let me explain tha thought,LOL

Religion is what man does to get to God and Redemption is what God did through Christ so we can easily come to him.
So I chose what he did.
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Old 05-30-2009, 02:02 PM   #5
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I also read your post right through.

I have two books which I would recommend you may enjoy reading.

1. "Mere Christianity" by C.S. Lewis (HarperSanfrancisco) ISBN 0-06-065292-6 (paperback)
An atheist who became a Christian, has an interesting viewpoint.

2. "HUNTING for GOD FISHING for The LORD" by Rev. Joseph F. Classen (Our Sunday Visitor, Inc. Huntington, Indiana 46750) ISBN 13: 978-1-59276-217-0
A man who finds GOD while he is trying to find deer, turkey or trout.

Have a great day!
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:50 PM   #6
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Welcome to the board Liberty.

Do you believe any one faith "Judaism, Christianity, and Islam", or any other for that matter, to be more un-likely than another?

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Old 05-31-2009, 04:24 AM   #7
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Welcome to our little forum. Hope to see many posts from you.


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