Often we see one interprete a scriptural passage and select a word from the text and then may a statement to this affect; That word should have been this word instead. This is what was meant and not what was said.
Many false doctrines have been developed, and many truths have fallen by the wayside IMO due totally because one neglects what was plainly said in favor of something that suits the need or desireof the person instead.
An example would be found in Gods wrath VS Gods judgement. Another would be Gods grace VS Gods mercy. Also forgiveness VS remission. We could go on, but lets look at an example seem very often on the forum which is percusation VS chastisement or correction.
Chastise=punish by beating or thrashing. Chasten=punish to improve 2. restain from excess or crudeness. 3. discipline.
Whom the Father loveth, he chasteneth, and no chastening is joyful at the present. One must be very careful lest he be found without chastisement and not a son of the Father. Chastisement does have somewhat in common with persusation in neither is pleasent, but the intention and the end result are much different. Because something is unpleasant doesn't mean it is not driven by love!! The opposite is often true. The trying of our souls is more presecious that of fine gold, which require much fire to purify and remove the impurities. When I am tried, I shall come forth as gold tried in the fire.
Correction=1. Act of correcting. 2. Thing put in place of an error or mistake. 3. Punishment; rebuke; scolding.
Corrective=1.Tending to correct; making better. 3. Something that tends to correct anything that is wrong or hurtful.
Example, reprove, rebuke, exort, with all long suffering and doctrine, for the time will come when they will not receive sound doctrine, but heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.
Look at the difference in the word persecute,
Persecute=1 Do harm to again and again; oppress. 2. Punish for religious reasons. 3 Annoy 4. Wrong torment.
Also look at the word punish.
Punish=1. Cause pain, loss, or discomfort to for some fault or offense. 2.Chastise, chasten, discipline.
Persecution isn't punishment. Punishment is deserved and brought upon oneself because of his own action or deeds. Criminals are not persecuted, they are punished. The Apostles were not punished, they were persecuted for their faith in Jesus Christ.
Many on the forum disagree with my views, but I am not persecuted, simply disagreed with. When one declared my views as unscriptural. I am not persecuted. If one states that my views will cause me to end up in hell's fire and brimstone, IMO that still isn't persecution. So what am I saying?? Simply this, I just get tired of the spiritual cry babies yelling "I must be right because I am persecuted for my religeous faith" every time some one disagrees with them. The same spirit that comdemns others for telling of their fasting, while boasting with the same breath about living a fasting life.
What is the value of words when found in the scripture? Are they place there for a purpose?
Nice post. Another thing to consider is that the meanings of words can change over time. Everyone might agree that in this book, this, chapter, this verse, the sixth word is "blah," but does "blah" now mean what it meant then?
Do not lie. Or Avoid untruths. Or Refrain from perjury Or Make no false statements Different words all mean the same thing.
Very-very true!! But I am talking about substituting words to paint a false picture. Tweaking the meaning of the scriptures by switching the words used, and or switchingthe definitions of the words being used.
Snooky, This has been a problem in the churches of the Reformation era from the beginning. Even Martin Luther struggled with it as he pondered how to translate Rm 3:22.
To answer your question, the value of the words is proportionate to what they convey in terms of the message of salvation. It helps to have an authoritative interpreter to decide what they are, in fact, conveying. I personally believe that such an authority is vested in the Church. There are biblical passages that allude to it, and it's certainly how the early Christians just after the Apostles saw things.
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, John 5:39 Search the Scripture; for in them ye think you have eternal life: and they are they that testify of me.
In King James so I am not accused of changing the meaning of the scripture by using my NIV. In John 5:39 the religious people know the scripture like the back of their hand and thought they were saved by it. They didnt even recognize the Christ. You can have the original writing in the original language or 1 of the 20 different english translations but IMO the words are meaningless unless Jesus chooses to reveal the truth of them to you.
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Often we see one interprete a scriptural passage and select a word from the text and then may a statement to this affect; That word should have been this word instead. This is what was meant and not what was said.
Many false doctrines have been developed, and many truths have fallen by the wayside IMO due totally because one neglects what was plainly said in favor of something that suits the need or desire of the person instead.
I know, this brings to mind 1Cor 13 and the use of the of the word "charity". Just a little searching and I concluded that this word was a mistake and the word "love" would have been better substituted.
As time passed however I've come to feel that charity was after all what was being conveyed. The word "agape" was used by the early christians to refer to the self-sacrificing love of God for humanity, which they were committed to reciprocating and practicing towards God and among one another. . . . .So, just using a Strongs or a dictionary won't give one this insight. Being charitable towards each other in all ways is how we can demonstrate the agape love thats being spoken of.
Of course this isn't precisley what your speaking of but it shows . . . .at least to me that my own wisdom and resources may fall short when I decide to improve on the written Word.
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Many on the forum disagree with my views, but I am not persecuted, simply disagreed with. When one declared my views as unscriptural. I am not persecuted. If one states that my views will cause me to end up in hell's fire and brimstone, IMO that still isn't persecution. So what am I saying?? Simply this, I just get tired of the spiritual cry babies yelling "I must be right because I am persecuted for my religeous faith" every time some one disagrees with them. The same spirit that comdemns others for telling of their fasting, while boasting with the same breath about living a fasting life.
Excellent point Brother . . . .These folk will always be with us tho. From my experiance there at least one resident in every church and many more that come and go. I have a very close relationship with an individual that I've known all my life. To hear her tell it she has suffered the fires of persecution throughout her life. Fact is that she has always been very sheltered but seeks recognition and glorification while bouncing from church to church. It's always the same thing in the end . . . ."their percecuting her, a bad preacher, bad congregation, etc". But while the honeymoon of the "new church" is going on and she has the pulpit . . .then "this is the one".
This "dying to self" business is saying a mouthful when someone says they have truly done it. . . .Lord knows I havn't. I've learned tho that theres three views of "self" . . .theres the way we view ourselves, the way that others view us, and the way we really are which is the way God views us. I think we needs have a perspective of all three to even begin to die to self.
Blah, blah, blah, . . .I'm by myself this evening as Liz has gone to a mother/daughter banquet and left me to my own devices. Sorry for the ramble.
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Snooky, I find that everywhere I go, I Just got over debating with some lady about Israel's role on salvation and according to her Ctholics were the ones that suffer the holocoust, you will find nut cases everywhere, ever wonder why there are thousands of denominations ?
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This "dying to self" business is saying a mouthful when someone says they have truly done it. . .
IMO, if one has died unto self, self stops talking about all the works that self is involved with to remain "dead".
Dead men don't talk!!
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In John 5:39 the religious people know the scripture like the back of their hand and thought they were saved by it. They didnt even recognize the Christ. You can have the original writing in the original language or 1 of the 20 different english translations but IMO the words are meaningless unless Jesus chooses to reveal the truth of them to you.
Correct, Many have read the book, but few know the author.
Do words have meaning?
. . .I'm by myself this evening as Liz has gone to a mother/daughter banquet and left me to my own devices. Sorry for the ramble.
