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Old 04-16-2009, 04:32 PM   #1
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What are you folks opinions about reading other epistles that never made the Biblical cannon..

such as the Book oF Enoch we see reference to in the Book of Jude?

Jude 1:14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:52 PM   #2
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Here are a number of lost scriptures referenced that are not found in the bible that should be.

Num. 21:14-15
14 Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the Lord, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon,
15 And at the stream of the brooks that goeth down to the dwelling of Ar, and lieth upon the border of Moab.

Where is the Book of the Wars of the Lord? What happened in the Red Sea?

Josh. 10:13
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.

Did you know that the sun stood still? How long did it take for the people to avenge themselves? Where is this account in the bible? I would like to read this account but it is not in the bible, and it should be.

2 Sam. 1:18
18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)


Where is the book of Jasher?
1Kings 11:41
41 ¶ And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?

1 Chronicles 29:29
29 Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,


Where are the books of Nathan the prophet and Gad the seer?


A Seer is a person who sees the past, present and future.

2 Chronicles 9:29
29 ¶ Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

Where are the rest of the acts of Solomon?

2 Chronicles 12:15
15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.

Where is the book of Shemaiah, the prophet?

2 Chronicles 13:22
22 And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet aIddo.

Where are the rest of the acts of Abijah?

2 Chronicles 20:34
34 Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.

Where are the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat?

2 Chronicles 33:19
19 His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sin, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers.



1 Corinthians 5:9
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

Where is this epistle of Pauls found in the bible? It is an earlier epistle from the one we have in the bible.


Ephesians 3:3
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Where is this epistle from Paul to the Ephesians found in the bible?

Colossians 4:16
16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

Where is this Epistle found? Where are these epistles that are mentioned but are not found in the bible?

Jude 1:14
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Where are these prophecies found in the bible?
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Old 04-16-2009, 07:00 PM   #3
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What are you folks opinions about reading other epistles that never made the Biblical cannon..

such as the Book oF Enoch we see reference to in the Book of Jude?

Jude 1:14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
There are 2 books of Enoch, the one that Judah quotes and a later possibly written much later.
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:27 AM   #4
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Actually I read a couple last night and they both were quite convicting..

They were

A. The Epistle to Polycarp from Ignatus..This one was an admonition to continue in holiness



B. The Epistle to the Ephesians from Ignatus ...this one really came down heavy on folks who don't go to a local church setting.[&o]

The reason I'm asking..I've always been very narow minded in the subject of reasing other books.However; some of these other books are mentioned in the Bible.Polycarp was one of Saint John's disciples and the pastor of Symrna one of the 7 churches..Polycarp also has a letter to the Phillipians..I just feel a little weird reading them ..There were also many counterfeits as well and that may also be the reason they never made the cannon..
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There were also many counterfeits as well and that may also be the reason they never made the cannon..

Most know that maintain that God, who spoke through the mouth of the prophets, was just as able to keep and preserve that word through the ages. To say that they are not good reading, I want. To say they should be in the Bible makes God so small and powerless that there would be advantage in serving him. JMO.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:41 AM   #6
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I agree with everything said...I actually see alot of legalism in them and they do read different than Paul's letters...One senses grace in most of Paul's writings..I since extreme legalism in these other letters of read..scary legalism..meaning with very little hope any of us are saved..[&o]Many came from the sect of the Bezintines..a very strict Christian group..much more stricter than the Pharisees.
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What gets me is , the cannon was done by a Church under a pagan king , yet protestants and evangelicals don't question the cannon or some of the teachings of a church they consider a cult , why is that ????
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Old 04-17-2009, 10:17 AM   #8
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can you post some information to back up your statement Alex?
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I can only speak for myself on this one. My trust isn't in man, whether he be the King, Priest, Scholar, Or illiterate. True Church or false Church. My confidence is in God to hasten his word to perform it. The prophet tried his best to curse Gods people, but every time a blessing came forth. Man has tried to destroy Gods word without success because God in in control. I don't worry because I know in whom I trust. Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Faithful is he that promised, who will also do it. If I can't believe that, I can't believe God in anything.
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Man has tried to destroy Gods word without success because God in in control. I don't worry because I know in whom I trust. Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Faithful is he that promised, who will also do it. If I can't believe that, I can't believe God in anything.
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Thanks for getting me /us back on track..You are 100% correct. Need to leave those uncharted waters alone..[]
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