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Old 03-27-2009, 07:06 AM   #1
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That is the cry of people committing homosexual activities. Science tries to back it.

If that is true, then there is no God, right? Or at least no Christian God because homosexual activities are a no no and God would be committing a man or woman to a lifetime or bascially uncontrollable sin.

But here is the quandry I find myself in wrapping my mind around such things ......... hermaphoridtes in the human species.

How does the Christian God allow/do this?

See, inherently I can't helpbut think/believe that God is good.With children, even more so. So how does/could God allow children to be born, basically unable to be heterosexual ?

Just thinking this morning ......... what are ya'lls thoughts?
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Old 03-27-2009, 07:25 AM   #2
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That is the cry of people committing homosexual activities. Science tries to back it.

If that is true, then there is no God, right? Or at least no Christian God because homosexual activities are a no no and God would be committing a man or woman to a lifetime or bascially uncontrollable sin.

But here is the quandry I find myself in wrapping my mind around such things ......... hermaphoridtes in the human species.

How does the Christian God allow/do this?

See, inherently I can't helpbut think/believe that God is good.With children, even more so. So how does/could God allow children to be born, basically unable to be heterosexual ?

Just thinking this morning ......... what are ya'lls thoughts?
Just last night a co-worker was telling me about his homosexual son. He was convinced he was born that way. While I doubt science can prove a homo gene or a alcoholic gene lets assume there is. Does that remove them from the sin penalty? Does it force them to commit sinful acts? I doubt it, not any more than being born heterosexual gives you a right to commit fornication. While the number of children born with bisexual organs is very rare it also does not give them a right to sin. We are all born with and have a sin problem, but the only solution is thru the precious blood of JESUS
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That is the cry of people committing homosexual activities. Science tries to back it.
I have to correct this statement. Scientists are not trying to back the idea that one is born gay. Any decent scientist knows that being "born gay" would be a very rare occurrence. Why? I'm glad you asked. Scientists accept evolution as responsible for the development of traits in a population. Now I know that few on this forum do, but this question relates to scientists, and scientists do accept evolution.

So what does evolution have to do with being "born gay?" Well in terms of natural selection, a trait that increases the likelihood of survival will be passed on to your offspring and the trait will increase in frequency in the population. The trait gives what is known as a selective advantage.

Now notice the mention of offspring. Being homosexual is not likely to affect your chances of survival, although a close analysis might require you to factor in the effects that homosexual promiscuity has on the increased exposure to disease. But be that as it may, back to offspring. What is the most significant effect, or rather non-effect, of homosexual sex? Right, no offspring. I don't think we'll get much argument if we agree that homosexuals reproduce at a much lowerratethan heterosexuals. Okay? So because of this, the trait will appear at an extremely low level in the population. Yes, one could be "born gay," just as people are born impotent or even sterile. But it would be rare for the reasons I have outlined.

So there you go. Yes one could be "born gay," just as one could be born with Downes Syndrome or any of a multitude of anomalies, but it would be an extremely rare occurrence.

Okay, that said, I'm not going to respond to any offers of debate about evolution versus the Bible. My purpose wasn't to convince you about evolution but merely to explain that "science" is not trying to back the idea that one is "born gay," and to explain why.

One more disclaimer; as I stated, an individual could, on rare occasion be "born gay" just as one could be born with some other anomaly, but it would be very rare because traits like that are selected against.


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That is the cry of people committing homosexual activities. Science tries to back it.
I have to correct this statement. Scientists are not trying to back the idea that one is born gay. Any decent scientist knows that being "born gay" would be a very rare occurrence. Why? I'm glad you asked. Scientists accept evolution as responsible for the development of traits in a population. Now I know that few on this forum do, but this question relates to scientists, and scientists do accept evolution.

So what does evolution have to do with being "born gay?" Well in terms of natural selection, a trait that increases the likelihood of survival will be passed on to your offspring and the trait will increase in frequency in the population. The trait gives what is known as a selective advantage.

Now notice the mention of offspring. Being homosexual is not likely to affect your chances of survival, although a close analysis might require you to factor in the effects that homosexual promiscuity has on the increased exposure to disease. But be that as it may, back to offspring. What is the most significant effect, or rather non-effect, of homosexual sex? Right, no offspring. I don't think we'll get much argument if we agree that homosexuals reproduce at a much lowerratethan heterosexuals. Okay? So because of this, the trait will appear at an extremely low level in the population. Yes, one could be "born gay," just as people are born impotent or even sterile. But it would be rare for the reasons I have outlined.

So there you go. Yes one could be "born gay," just as one could be born with Downes Syndrome or any of a multitude of anomalies, but it would be an extremely rare occurrence.

Okay, that said, I'm not going to respond to any offers of debate about evolution versus the Bible. My purpose wasn't to convince you about evolution but merely to explain that "science" is not trying to back the idea that one is "born gay," and to explain why.

One more disclaimer; as I stated, an individual could, on rare occasion be "born gay" just as one could be born with some other anomaly, but it would be very rare because traits like that are selected against.


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Not sure what scientific organization appointed youas spokespersonbutyour "correction" does not collaborate with many recent scientific studies (not that I agree with them).
Are some people born gay?
By Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard Science is rapidly converging on the conclusion that sexual orientation is innate. It has found that homosexuals often act differently from heterosexuals in early childhood, before they have even heard of sex. A recent study by Simon LeVay, a neurobiologist at the Salk Institute, reported a difference in the hypothalamus, a part of the brain that develops at a young age, between homosexual and heterosexual men.
If true, a biological explanation is good news for homosexuals and their advocates.

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That is the cry of people committing homosexual activities. Science tries to back it.

If that is true, then there is no God, right? Or at least no Christian God because homosexual activities are a no no and God would be committing a man or woman to a lifetime or bascially uncontrollable sin.

But here is the quandry I find myself in wrapping my mind around such things ......... hermaphoridtes in the human species.

How does the Christian God allow/do this?

See, inherently I can't helpÂ*but think/believe that God is good.Â*With children, even more so. So how does/could God allow children to be born, basically unable to be heterosexual ?

Just thinking this morning ......... what are ya'lls thoughts?

Thought proceeds the action. Many people have a thought about this and depending on if they entertain the thought can determine the choice they make. They entertained the thought and followed through with it. I do not believe someone can say they were born that way.

It is not any different than someone being a killer like Ted Bundy. Even I have a family member who claims this who is Gay. I have known him for over 20 years.

"As a man thinketh in his heart so is he." Proverbs 23:7 Science can say all they want about this, but what you think, you become. Like I said, "THOUGHTS PROCEEDS THE ACTION." You entertain the thought then it becomes a part of who you are.

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If you ever see an announcement in a newspaper that says, Mr And Mrs Jones jut gave birth to an 8 lb Homosexual.
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If you ever see an announcement in a newspaper that says, Mr And Mrs Jones jut gave birth to an 8 lb Homosexual.
Let me know will ya ?
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If you ever see an announcement in a newspaper that says, Mr And Mrs Jones jut gave birth to an 8 lb Homosexual.
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THERE ARE 0NE'S AND THEN THERE ARE 10'S......But that don't make them a active Homosexual
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Quite the contrary I think many homosexuals would argue that god made them this way. Many I'm sure believe in god just as much as you or I.




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So what does evolution have to do with being "born gay?" Well in terms of natural selection, a trait that increases the likelihood of survival will be passed on to your offspring and the trait will increase in frequency in the population. The trait gives what is known as a selective advantage.
That is an excellent thought. I believe in a divine creator.
At the same time, I know that others believe in evolution. That is their choice and their right. However, if the evolutionistsare right, then the process of natural selection wouldbe slowly eliminating the propensity toward homosexuality. However, we are seeing the exact opposite.In spite ofa burgeoning world population, there seems to be a growing number of homosexuals. To me, God doesn't make you a homosexual and evolution doesn't either. You are a homosexual when you choose to commit homosexual acts.
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I've got a question for you all??

Is homosexuality any worse than gossip or gluttony or liars ??

I can go to about any ordinary church group and within a week I can guarantee ya I see gluttony or hear gossip..Are these 'lesser' sins?

Now trust me..I don't condone the gay style at all BUT to me..if one misses Heaven by a footor one misses it by a 100 miles ..heaven is still missed..
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