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Old 03-21-2009, 04:44 PM   #1
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Now remember who the audience is..
Matthew 5;1 it is His disciples..

Now to the question verses..
Matthew 7 1-3
Judge not, that ye be not judged.For with what judgement ye judge , ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete , it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye , but considereth not the beam that is in thine own eye?


Is Jesus talking about a future judgement or daily judgement?

Is He saying that life will be easier for folks who do not judge?

and what does He mean by judging??

And why does He say..Why beholdest thou the mote in thy brother's eye??
Should we rather excuse the faults we see in others??
Help me out here please?
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Old 03-21-2009, 04:48 PM   #2
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This is one of those passages that doesn't require much in the way of interpretation. It's pretty straightforward.


Yep, even we simple herbivores get that one pretty well



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Old 03-21-2009, 04:50 PM   #3
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if it's so straight then why are we not obeying it??
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Old 03-21-2009, 05:13 PM   #4
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if it's so straight then why are we not obeying it??

The Ten Commandments are pretty straightforward too and they don't get obeyed either. If we were any good at following the rules, Jesus' sacrifice would not have been needed.

Rabbi Akiva pretty much summed it up. He said, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength, and your neighbor as yourself. This is the whole Law and the Prophets. All the rest is just commentary."

(Rabbi Akiva is one of the most revered and respected teachers in the Biblical tradition.)
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Old 03-21-2009, 06:17 PM   #5
 
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I too think this passage is pretty much straightforward, You ask why we don't obey it, We are nothing but worthless sinners in need of a savior, Your writting this makes me wonder about the Harry Potter post. Do you think there is any judging going on due to that topic? I know that trying so hardto do what is right, its easy to look at someone and say whats he /she doing, thats not right. I also think that were not to judge because were not equipt to judge we can't read others peoples hearts JMHO
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Old 03-21-2009, 07:08 PM   #6
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Let's look at Matthew 7:1-3 in context. To look at a passage in context we need to look at the verses before the passage, the verses after the passageand other verses that cover the topic. The topic here is judging others who say they are Christians. Matthew 7:3-6 instructs aChristian to take care of major sin(s) in their own life before they confront another Christian about a less major sin in that persons life. An example would be if a husband who claims to be a Christianis routinely rudetohis wife, children and/or othersand this husbandconfronts another who claims to be aChristian who wasshort with another person. This passage does not say to ignore sin(s) in others who say they are Christians.

Matthew 7:1-6(New American Standard Bible)


Matthew 7
Judging Others1"(A)Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and (B)by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you (C)look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
4"(D)Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye?
5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
6"(E)Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.



Christians are also instructed to judge by righteous judgement.


John 7:24(New American Standard Bible)


24"Do not (A)judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."



We are tolook at the lives of others who say they are Christians to see if they have fruits of a Christian. The Bible warns many times regarding false teachers.


Matthew 7:15-28(New American Standard Bible)


A Tree and Its Fruit15"Beware of the (A)false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are (B)ravenous wolves.
16"You will (C)know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17"So (D)every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18"A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19"(E)Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20"So then, you will know them (F)by their fruits.
21"(G)Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22"(H)Many will say to Me on (I)that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; (J)DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
24"Therefore (K)everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25"And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26"Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27"The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell--and great was its fall."
28(L)When Jesus had finished these words, (M)the crowds were amazed at His teaching;
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Old 03-21-2009, 07:11 PM   #7
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I also think that were not to judge because were not equipt to judge we can't read others peoples hearts JMHO
Please read my previous post.

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Old 03-22-2009, 03:05 AM   #8
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LOL
Good grief..I had a sincere question and was only judged for writing it..whoa..this is weird..I'll answer the questions myself.[:-]in green
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udge not, that ye be not judged.For with what judgement ye judge , ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete , it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye , but considereth not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Thanks for asking brother c7[8D] from looking at all the scripture..we see lot's of church discipline going on..so Jesus was not saying don't correct others..if we read farther down He was saying 1st make sure that you yourself is right before God and then as a steady surgeon you can gently, and Christlike help remove the mote out of your brother's eye..We certainly do make judgements..but we are only helpful when we can see ourselves.

There..that wasn't hard was it..




Is Jesus talking about a future judgement or daily judgement?
It's been my experience it comes almost immediately..when I judge someone I end up doing the same thing if not worse,,this has happened many times..so like the scripture says...be slow to speak..and as Proverbs tells us..there is 2 sides to everything.


Is He saying that life will be easier for folks who do not judge?
Yes I beleive..Psalm 34 says..who wants to see good day? and alot of them.."Then keep your mouths shut from slander."

and what does He mean by judging??
Good question c7..not really sure if He means criticizing..or Hell type judging..need to do a word study..

And why does He say..Why beholdest thou the mote in thy brother's eye??
Should we rather excuse the faults we see in others??
Help me out here please?
This was already covered..we do not overlook but rather try to be in a place where we can be of help.


FOlks..why did some of you think I posted this for ill intentions..please..be more merciful..Actually my wife and I are studyying the Sermon on the Mount..[:-] please folks..We are one body here ..let's work together for one cause..this was no trick question[&o]
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Old 03-22-2009, 04:08 AM   #9
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Chuck,

I have to agree with your assessment of this passage because in ICor. 5:12 Paul says that we are to judge those that are in the church but that God will judge those on the outside. If we were not allowed to judge at all, we would have pedophiles, rapists, murderers, swindlers, and theives in the pulpits of our churches. Hmmmm! but I digress. When Jesus was speaking to the crowds in the sermon on the mount, I think we must remember the culture that existed at that time. It was a very religious culture, prone to being judged very harshly by the religious leaders of the day. This religious teaching no doubt filtered down to the hearers of that teaching. It probably created a culture where it was impossible for anyone to "live up" to the religious leaders' idea of righteouness. Therefore, everybody ran around judging others partly to cover up their own sins. It's always easier to ignore our own shortcomings if we are pointing out everybody elses'. I think that's why the following verses say to remove the beam from your own eye and then you will be able to help your brother remove the splinter from his eye. Alot of wrong judging exists in our attitude. Why are we judging, is it to make ourselves feel superior to others? Is it to redirect attention away from our own shortcomings? Is it it done out of some hidden agenda we have towards that person or are we doing it for the reasons that Paul gave us permission in the 5th chapter of ICor? If we never judged anything or anybody, we would not be "as wise as serpents or as gentle as doves". On the contrary, we would fall for anyone or anything that came down the road. One final thought, our judgement must be tempered by the Holy Spirit. God bless you and your wife Chuck as you study the wonderful Sermon on the Mount. Let me know if you come up with any insights.

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Old 03-22-2009, 04:34 AM   #10
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Chuck,

If we were not allowed to judge at all, we would have pedophiles, rapists, murderers, swindlers, and theives in the pulpits of our churches.
We can depend on the law to judge people who commit those types of offenses, offenses which are pretty much universally condemned.In my opinion, itbecomes problematic when we start judging based on our own personal values as to what is right or wrong, values which may or may not be widely shared.

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