In A long draw out discussion in another forum, the main argument is that you need to believe in the trinity as exposed by the CR.
Can someone help me find a verse or two where that is found ?
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The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. Zephaniah 1:14
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KB; I am also involved in a discussion or the "Trinity" on another board where I am told this. They can see the logic of the Oneness doctrine, but the Trinity is not to be understood, therefore cannot be explained.
Is there a scripture that says one is to throw away that which is revealed and understood, and hold that for which one cannot explain? I thought the scripture said that the things which be revealed, belong unto us and unto our children forever.
Matt 3:16-17, 28:19 Doesn't show a Trinity, nor require beliving in a Trinity as a requirement for salvation.
Ro 6:23, 8:9 Again no mention of a "Trinity".
1 Cor 12:3-6 Where is the trinity set forth here?
2 Cor 1:21-22 No Trinity shown here??
Eph 4:4-6 One of the greatest Oneness scriptures found anywhere.
2 Thess 2:13-14 The KJV doesn't mention a Trinity, May be I use the wrong translation.
Titus 3:4-6 God, our Savior = Trinity?
1 Peter 1:1-2 Another great Oneness scripture
Jude 1:1, 20-21 The definition of "Trinity" = praying in the holy Ghost, the love of God, and the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ?
Isn't there something plainer such as "Hear O'Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord and him only shalt thou serve"?
Matt 3:16-17, 28:19 Doesn't show a Trinity, nor require beliving in a Trinity as a requirement for salvation.
Ro 6:23, 8:9 Again no mention of a "Trinity".
1 Cor 12:3-6 Where is the trinity set forth here?
2 Cor 1:21-22 No Trinity shown here??
Eph 4:4-6 One of the greatest Oneness scriptures found anywhere.
2 Thess 2:13-14 The KJV doesn't mention a Trinity, May be I use the wrong translation.
Titus 3:4-6 God, our Savior = Trinity?
1 Peter 1:1-2 Another great Oneness scripture
Jude 1:1, 20-21 The definition of "Trinity" = praying in the holy Ghost, the love of God, and the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ?
Isn't there something plainer such as "Hear O'Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord and him only shalt thou serve"?
Yep I don't see them Either,LOL
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The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. Zephaniah 1:14
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The God of the Bible is the true God; andthis is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Those passages posted earlierdo talk about the Trinity and salvation. However, if you don't want to believe it no amount of evidence will convince you. Salvation is coming to God on His terms and not making a god that we like. Worshiping a god other than the true God is idolatry - Romans 1:20-23.
Here are moreverses regarding each of the Trinity.
Father
John 4:24
1 John 1:5
1 Timothy 1:17
1 John 4:8
Psalm 116:5-8
Isaiah 58:9
Psalm 37:39
Son
John 3:16
Matthew 1:20
2 Corinthians 5:21
John 20:26-28
Hebrews 7:25
Acts 1:11
Holy Spirit
John 16:7-11
Titus 3:5
Romans 16:16
1 Corinthians 12:7-11
1 Corinthians 6:19
Salvation is coming to God on His terms and not making a god that we like. Worshiping a god other than the true God is idolatry - Romans 1:20-23.
country1. You are right with this statement, however it seems to contidict and destroy all that you said unto this point.
The God of the Bible is said countless times to be one. Where is just one scripture that says He is a Trinity? Just one little scripture that says Trinity, 3 persons in unity, three Gods, in harmony, ect. Talk about making a God that we like? All I ask is a scripture (one)that says God is in any way more than One God.
The scriptural truth is that the fulness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Jesus. To declare Jesus to be 1/3 of God, or the Godhead is plainly making a God that we want him to be, as we reject God as we find him in the Holy Writ. The God of the Bible doesn't know, or have any other god before him, orbeside him, and will suffer no other to be made after him. The God of the Bible is all in all. He is above all, through all, and in you all. One Lord. one faith, one baptism. Have we not one Father?, Hath not one god created us all? We are complete in him who is the Head of all principilities and power. God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into Glory.
Your scripture reference plainly shows Gods work as our Father, as the Son, or the Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world, and The Holy Spirit which indwells the believer. It fails to divide God into fractions, multiple persons, or Gods. In it all, and through it all, God remains numericialy 1 God.
Never the less, what saith the scriptures?
The scriptural truth is that the fulness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Jesus
The Bible tells us that Jesus ascended into the sky When He did this He was still in physical form. In addition, the Bible tells us that Jesus will return in the same manner. Acts 1:9 says.... "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven"
[align=left] Since the Bible teaches us that Jesus is in bodily form now, then how does the Oneness person maintain that God is in the form of the Holy Spirit? Also, when Jesus returns, will He return in His body? Will God's form then revert to the form of the Son at His return according to Oneness?
I do not think Oneness Pentecostal theology is correct for many reasons. But here, with this issue of Jesus' resurrection and ascension, I see their theology denying the incarnation of God in flesh right now. After all, it saysin this col. versethat Jesus is in bodily form now. Oneness denies that since God, according to its theology, is now supposed to be in the form of the Holy Spirit.[/align][align=left][/align][align=left]Since Colossians 2:9 says that "the fulness of the Godhead" dwells in Jesus,our Onenessfriends argue that the Godhead is in Jesus, not Jesus in the Godhead. Their either/or approach however, causes their owninterpretation of Colossians 2:9 to contradict their interpretation of John 10:38 where Jesus states, "the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father." Since "the Father" in oneness theology is "the Godhead," John 10:38 in their terms would mean that the Godhead is in Jesus, and Jesus is in the Godhead. When Oneness believers deny that "Jesus is in the Godhead," what they mean to deny is that Jesus is one person in a triune Godhead. Colossians 2:9, though, does not rule out that possibility. What itconfirmshowever,is that Jesus is no less than the full and complete revelation of God's nature ('theotetos', "deity") in the flesh. While not all three persons of God are incarnate in Jesus, all of God's essence is incarnate in Jesus. [/align]
How easy it is to say "the bible teaches" and never show where it is worded that way. God was, and is able to say exactly what he wants us to know. If We must add our imput into Gods statements, it is no longer Gods words. It has became another gospel, which is no other, and the bible says that even if the messanger is an angel, let him be accurses.
Does the bible say that Jesus is in a physical body now?? Where?? The bible says, "Christ in you, the hope of glory". No wonder I have a weight problem, there is two people living in these cloths!! My fleshly body, and Christ's physical body!! If any man hath not Christ, (another physical body) he is none of his.
Come on guys, you are grasping at straws. If the bible plainly says that God is a Trinity, just post the scripture. If you can't produce the proof, it's your gospel, not Gods Gospel. We must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Not by every word that we add unto the things God has spoken.
One may not think that the Oneness theology is correct, but they cannot produce even one scripture that says God is a Trinity, or that God is three persons, ect. But there is no problem producing multiple scriptures that declare God to be One, and one alone. It matters not what we think, it only matters if God has in fact said it.
quote I see their theology denying the incarnation of God in flesh right now. After all, it saysin this col. versethat Jesus is in bodily form now. Oneness denies that since God, according to its theology, is now supposed to be in the form of the Holy Spirit.
I have corrected this false accusation against oneness doctrine too many times to have to correct it yet again. If you insist on saying these things, please put a disclaimer along with it stating that Snooky is oneness and he doesn't hold to this view. Tell us who holds the oneness view that is alledged in this qoute.
When Oneness believers deny that "Jesus is in the Godhead," what they mean to deny is that Jesus is one person in a triune Godhead. Colossians 2:9, though, does not rule out that possibility. What itconfirmshowever,is that Jesus is no less than the full and complete revelation of God's nature ('theotetos', "deity") in the flesh. While not all three persons of God are incarnate in Jesus, all of God's essence is incarnate in Jesus.
Will you please explain this 3 seperate dieties of which you speak, give perticular attention to how 3 dieties do not equal 3 Gods. The diety of the Father, the deity of The Son, and the deity of The Holy Ghost. Three dieties incarnate in the one body of Jesus??
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