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Old 12-25-2008, 08:31 PM   #1
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We all call the son of God Jesus Christ. According to this article the name Jesus was adopted by the Church in the 1700's. So if we do all things in the name of Jesus are we actually correct?

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The Name Jesus comes from the word Iesus in Greek, since Hebrew cannot be translated into Greek due to incomparability in the Alphabet and the Alephbet, the Iesus was reached to translate his real Birth Name "Yeshuah"which means God's Salvation, Jesus has no translatable meaning.
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So is Jesus correct or should we address the son of God as Yeshuah?
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Old 12-26-2008, 06:22 AM   #4
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If the New Testament had been written in Hebrew, like the Old Testament, the names would have been transliterated the way they were in the Old Testament. We would then know "Jesus" as "Joshua."

Going from one language to another can produce some strange results. What we call Germany, the Germans call Deutschland. And the country of my ancestors is actually called Nippon, not ***an. My name, Stephanie is not pronouncable in ***anese because ***aniese has no "F."

I've heard Jesus name as Yeshua and I've also heard it as Yehoshua. It might depend on your dialect. The Ashkenazim pronounce some things differently than the Sephardim for example. I understand that Israel officially adopted the Sephardic pronunciations as a gesture of unity even though the people with Askenazi roots were in the majority.

I get this info from my husband who, as he says it, is "part Yid."

Jesus seems to be a popular name among Spanish speakers where it's pronounced "Hayzoos."




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Old 12-26-2008, 07:05 AM   #5
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Jesus seems to be a popular name among Spanish speakers where it's pronounced "Hayzoos."
Actually "Hayzoos" is the English speaker's way of pronouncing that in spanish. Spanish speakers pronounce it "Hesoos" with the "e" pronounced the way you pronounce the "e" in the word "bed". No z sound at all in that name.
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Old 12-26-2008, 07:13 AM   #6
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Jesus' Name doctrine is a term used to describe those Christians who baptize only using the "name of Jesus Christ" and not the names of the other members of the Trinity (i.e., the Father and the Holy Spirit). The doctrine is additionally expanded to include the Oneness doctrine, i.e., the oneness of God whose New Testament name is Jesus. Those in Oneness churches hail themselves as Jesus' name. This identity is used by the United Pentecostal Church, Pentecostal Assemblies of the World, Apostolic Messianic and other groups. They explicitly reject the doctrine of the Trinity as an inaccurate interpretation of God. Those who hold to the Oneness doctrine use church history to prove the doctrine of the Trinity was slowly formulated over a period of more than three centuries.
Ancient Sabellianism or modalism is defined by some as the belief that the Godhead comprises one God that manifests himself in three different modes each at a different time (Father in creation, Son in redemption, and the Holy Spirit in regeneration). That definition is now disputed by those who are Oneness but who in recent years have chosen to be identified by a different theological ideology. Some modern Oneness Pentecostal scholars hold the words "at different times" objectionable. For example, modern-day Oneness Pentecostal theologian Talmadge French, in his book Our God Is One, points out the difference between sequential modalism and simultaneous modalism, and he indicates that modern-day Oneness Pentecostals do not teach or believe in sequential modalism. In Reality he is describing the beliefs of his Church, the United Pentecostal Church International.
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Jesus seems to be a popular name among Spanish speakers where it's pronounced "Hayzoos."
Actually "Hayzoos" is the English speaker's way of pronouncing that in spanish. Spanish speakers pronounce it "Hesoos" with the "e" pronounced the way you pronounce the "e" in the word "bed". No z sound at all in that name.
Oh okay. It just sounds that way to me. But the only Spanish I know is "tortilla."
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If the New Testament had been written in Hebrew, like the Old Testament, the names would have been transliterated the way they were in the Old Testament. We would then know "Jesus" as "Joshua."

Going from one language to another can produce some strange results. What we call Germany, the Germans call Deutschland. And the country of my ancestors is actually called Nippon, not ***an. My name, Stephanie is not pronouncable in ***anese because ***aniese has no "F."

I've heard Jesus name as Yeshua and I've also heard it as Yehoshua. It might depend on your dialect. The Ashkenazim pronounce some things differently than the Sephardim for example. I understand that Israel officially adopted the Sephardic pronunciations as a gesture of unity even though the people with Askenazi roots were in the majority.

I get this info from my husband who, as he says it, is "part Yid."

Jesus seems to be a popular name among Spanish speakers where it's pronounced "Hayzoos."

Not quite correct Joshua mean YHVV is Salvation , Yeshua although the same root of the Word means God's salvation, it implies a direct connection to the Saviour while Joshua is just an expression that God will save.

Yeshua is a Hebrew name which has been transliterated into Greek as Iesous (IhsouV: pronounced "ee-ay-SUS"). The English "Jesus" comes from the Latin transliteration of the Greek name into the Latin Iesus. Now Greek has no "y" sound, but the Latin "i" is both an "i" and a "j" (i.e., it can have a consonantal force in front of other vowels), the latter of which is properly pronounced like the English "y" (which explains the German Jesu, "YAY-su")That is why we spell Jesus as we do, taking it straight from Latin, but we pronounce the name with a soft "j" sound because that is what we do in English with the consonantal "j".
The first letter in the name Yeshua ("Jesus") is the yod. Yod represents the "Y" sound in Hebrew. Many names in the Bible that begin with yod are mispronounced by English speakers because the yod in these names was transliterated in English Bibles with the letter "J" rather than "Y". This came about because in early English the letter "J" was pronounced the way we pronounce "Y" today. All proper names in the Old Testament were transliterated into English according to their Hebrew pronunciation via the Latin, but when English pronunciation shifted to what we know today, these transliterations were not altered. Thus, such Hebrew place names as ye-ru-sha-LA-yim, ye-ri-HO, and yar-DEN have become known to us as Jerusalem, Jericho, and Jordan; and Hebrew personal names such as yo-NA, yi-SHAI, and ye-SHU-a have become known to us as Jonah, Jesse, and Jesus. To further complicate matters, there was no letter "J" in the old English alphabet and the letter "I" was often used in its place. Often in early texts of the time, Jesus or Jerusalem would be spelled Iesus or Ierusalem.
The second sound in Yeshua's name is called tse-RE, and is pronounced almost like the letter "e" in the word "net". Just as the "Y" sound of the first letter is mispronounced in today's English, so too the first vowel sound in "Jesus". Before the Hebrew name "Yeshua" was transliterated into English, it was first transliterated into Greek. There was no difficulty in transliterating the tse-RE sound since the ancient Greek language had an equivalent letter which represented this sound. And there was no real difficulty in transcribing this same first vowel into English. The translators of the earliest versions of the English Bible transliterated the tse-RE in Yeshua with an "e". Unfortunately, later English speakers guessed wrongly that this "e" should be pronounced as in "me," and thus the first syllable of the English version of Yeshua came to be pronounced "Jee" instead of "Yeh". It is this pronunciation which produced such euphemistic profanities as "Gee" and "Geez".
Since Yeshua is spelled "Jeshua" and not "Jesus" in most English versions of the Old Testament (for example in Ezra 2:2 and 2 Chronicles 31:15), one easily gets the impression that the name is never mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures. Yet 'Yeshua' appears there twenty-nine times, and is the name of at least five different persons and one village in the southern part of Yehudah ("Judah").
In contrast to the early biblical period, there were relatively few different names in use among the Jewish population of the Land of Israel at the time of the Second Temple. The name Yeshua was one of the most common male names in that period, tied with Eleazer for fifth place behind Simon, Joseph, Judah, and John. Nearly one out of ten persons known from the period was named Yeshua.
The first sound of the second syllable of Yeshua is the "sh" sound. It is represented by the Hebrew letter shin. However Greek, like many other languages, has no "sh" sound. Instead, the closest approximation, the Greek sigma, was used when transcribing "Yeshua" as "Iesus". Translators of English versions of the New Testament transliterated the Greek transcription of a Hebrew name, instead of returning to the original Hebrew. This was doubly unfortunate, first because the "sh" sound exists in English, and second because in English the "s" sound can shift to the "z" sound, which is what happened in the case of the pronunciation of "Jesus".
The fourth sound one hears in the name Yeshua is the "u" sound, as in the word "true". Like the first three sounds, this also has come to be mispronounced but in this case it is not the fault of the translators. They transcribed this sound accurately, but English is not a phonetic language and "u" can be pronounced in more than one way. At some point the "u" in "Jesus" came to be pronounced as in "cut," and so we say "Jee-zuhs."
The "a" sound, as in the word "father," is the fifth sound in Jesus' name. It is followed by a guttural produced by contracting the lower throat muscles and retracting the tongue root- an unfamiliar task for English speakers. In an exception to the rule, the vowel sound "a" associated with the last letter "ayin" (the guttural) is pronounced before it, not after. While there is no equivalent in English or any other Indo-European language, it is somewhat similar to the last sound in the name of the composer, "Bach." In this position it is almost inaudible to the western ear. Some Israelis pronounce this last sound and some don't, depending on what part of the dispersion their families returned from. The Hebrew Language Academy, guardian of the purity of the language, has ruled that it should be sounded, and Israeli radio and television announcers are required to pronounce it correctly. There was no letter to represent them, and so these fifth and sixth sounds were dropped from the Greek transcription of "Yeshua," -the transcription from which the English "Jesus" is derived.
So where did the final "s" of "Jesus" come from? Masculine names in Greek ordinarily end with a consonant, usually with an "s" sound, and less frequently with an "n" or "r" sound. In the case of "Iesus," the Greeks added a sigma, the "s" sound, to close the word. The same is true for the names Nicodemus, Judas, Lazarus, and others.
English speakers make one final change from the original pronunciation of Jesus' name. English places the accent on "Je," rather than on "sus." For this reason, the "u" has been shortened in its English pronunciation to "uh."
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If the New Testament had been written in Hebrew, like the Old Testament, the names would have been transliterated the way they were in the Old Testament. We would then know "Jesus" as "Joshua."

Going from one language to another can produce some strange results. What we call Germany, the Germans call Deutschland. And the country of my ancestors is actually called Nippon, not ***an. My name, Stephanie is not pronouncable in ***anese because ***aniese has no "F."

I've heard Jesus name as Yeshua and I've also heard it as Yehoshua. It might depend on your dialect. The Ashkenazim pronounce some things differently than the Sephardim for example. I understand that Israel officially adopted the Sephardic pronunciations as a gesture of unity even though the people with Askenazi roots were in the majority.

I get this info from my husband who, as he says it, is "part Yid."

Jesus seems to be a popular name among Spanish speakers where it's pronounced "Hayzoos."

Not quite correct Joshua mean YHVV is Salvation , Yeshua although the same root of the Word means God's salvation, it implies a direct connection to the Saviour while Joshua is just an expression that God will save.
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