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Old 12-23-2008, 11:58 AM   #1
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Are you pro life and pro death penalty?

Recently heard quite a few pro lifers are also pro death penalty.

Seems very strange to me religious people can be so stronly pro life, but then be very pro war....and pro death penalty.

Isn't 1 of the 10 commandments "thou shall not kill" ?


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Old 12-23-2008, 12:21 PM   #2
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Are you pro life and pro death penalty?
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Recently heard quite a few pro lifers are also pro death penalty.

I see quite a big difference between murdering an innocent unborn child and killing a scumbag murderer. I find it very strange that anyone would find this strange.

Seems very strange to me religious people can be so stronly pro life, but then be very pro war....and pro death penalty.

Isn't 1 of the 10 commandments "thou shall not kill" ?

There are several strong arguments for the case that the sixth commandment should be translated as "Thou shalt not murder." First, the verb used in the Torah commandment is "ratsah," which generally is translated as murder and refers only to criminal acts of killing a human being. The word "kill" generally refers to the taking of life for all classes of victims and for all reasons. This generalization is expressed through a different Hebrew verb "harag."

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Old 12-23-2008, 01:34 PM   #3
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It's not so strange if you can make this distinction: an abortion is an attack on an innocent life. Death penalty and war, and only in those instances when they are morally undertaken, are a defense of life.

Abortion means killing an innocent person willfully and directly, and doing so is ALWAYS evil. War and executions are not always so because they can be done to stop an aggressor who threatens the lives of others. That's part of the right of self-defense held by individuals and the community at large. Defending life is a good act, not an evil one.

I hasten to add that there are specific conditions that limit when war and the death penalty can be undertaken. It's quite possible to do each unjustly.





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Old 12-24-2008, 03:56 AM   #4
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What is trulyperplexing is the stance that some on the political left end of the spectrum take : They will voraciously defend a woman's "right to choose", advocating zero restrictions on abortion,yet condemn the execution of a vicious and dangerous criminal. And these same people will call themselves "pacifists" and oppose ANY war for ANY reason. Meanwhile, one of the highest death tolls of americans happens legally every day!
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Old 12-24-2008, 09:03 AM   #6
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Seems very strange to me religious people can be so stronly pro life, but then be very pro war....and pro death penalty.

salukipv1; define religious people please. Am I correct in reading your intent as to cast some shadow of hyprocrisy and doubtupon those who are of a christian religion, and not religion in general?
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Old 12-31-2008, 09:54 AM   #7
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We are not pro war, in a perfect world there wouldn't be a need but we do not live in a perfect world. I hear a lot of people moan about being in Iraq. Does those in Iraq not deserve to be free? If our ancestors had not gone to war we would not be free would we? Was it wrong for us during WWII to go after Hitler and defend the rights of those he persecuted? Are we so pious that we feel we are the only ones who should be deserving of freedom. Freedom and safety?

As far as the death penalty in many ways that is a safety issue. What do you do with those who cannot be let back into society? Should those who molested be able to walk free early because the prisons are full of those who cannot be let out in society? Even in the Bible punishment for Adultery was stoning them to death. I think that is a bit more brutal than what we have today. It most certainly is not an easy decision. Because again what do you do with those who are so dangerous to society?

And again there is a huge difference between the life of an innocent unborn baby and the life of a serial murderer.
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Seems to me this was gone over recently. This forum is not here to question religion or belief in God.

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It's not so strange if you can make this distinction: an abortion is an attack on an innocent life. Death penalty and war, and only in those instances when they are morally undertaken, are a defense of life.

Abortion means killing an innocent person willfully and directly, and doing so is ALWAYS evil. War and executions are not always so because they can be done to stop an aggressor who threatens the lives of others. That's part of the right of self-defense held by individuals and the community at large. Defending life is a good act, not an evil one.

I hasten to add that there are specific conditions that limit when war and the death penalty can be undertaken. It's quite possible to do each unjustly.
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Are you pro life and pro death penalty?

Recently heard quite a few pro lifers are also pro death penalty.

Seems very strange to me religious people can be so stronly pro life, but then be very pro war....and pro death penalty.

Isn't 1 of the 10 commandments "thou shall not kill" ?

God's new creations need to be born, someone needs to stand up to those Islamic Extremists and terrorists, and YES some people should be taken out of society.
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