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Old 11-06-2008, 04:34 PM   #1
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Default How did you get your theology / beliefs..?? and what do you beleive?

While reading some of the replies it makes me wonder where folks got their theolgy from..CertainlyI hope we can all be kind and understanding as we give a summary..

My bringing up was fruitless as my parents preached one thing and lived like the rest of the world.. only saw one serious Christian before my conversion in my whole life..I never talked church and didn't ask this holy lady what she was ,but after my conversion learned that she was from the Church of God..My theology started after my 22 year old conversion .I was taught by Assembly of God Pentecostalsyet I never swallowed all they said hook line and sinker..I also beleive that little voice in my heart is the Holy Spirit at times ..so I was taught by that little voice as well as influenced by Pentecostal doctrine..

Magor Theology..
a. I beleive in the trinity 1 John 5:7

b. water baptism isa must.John 3:5

c. The indwelling Holy Spirit does my primary teaching..
1 John 2:27 One must be led by the Spirit or he does not belong to Christ..Romans 8;9

d. Saved by grace and obedience through the work of the Holy Spirit...James 2.24

e. Every Word is God's Word and is 100% truth.2nd Tim.3:16

f. No certain denonmination is saved..God has his people in every Christian denominationActs 10:34,35

g. You must strive to live a holy life daily..many are called but few ae chosen..make sure of your salvation.Matt.7:13,14

hAll the gifts are for today.Hebrews 13:8

iKeep in your Bibles..memorize scripture .John 14:23

jyou can pray in the Spirit and in the understanding.1 Cor. 14:15

k, Music is a wonderful way to draw nigh unto God.Ps.22;3

l. Fasting is powerful Mark 9;29

mWitness to unbelievers.don't be ashamed of The name.Mark 8;38

n. Must live a holy life..Psalm 15

o. WE must go through part of the Great Tribulation before a rapture of anykind. .Assembly does not believe this..only some us do.Matt..24, 29-31


pDo not have to pay 10% or a tithe..Assembly does not beleive this..only a few of us do.2 Cor. 9 :6,7


q.Magor doctrine goal..love God and love your neighbor as yourself..I beleive that commands fulfills all of the rest. Gal.5:14

r.Salvation is not just for a certain select..but "Whosoever believeth" John 3:16

S. The only salvation is through Jesus name alone..Acts 4:12


PLease ..I will not argue any of these beliefs because that has proven to be unfruitful..I just wanted to see..where folks got their theolgy from..Most of mine came after I read the Word from cover to cover and recieved the Holy Spirit..and by the way..I'm still learning..God uses men so I listen to you folks as well...I'm stuck in my ways but I do listen and dig in my Word to make sure of myself..
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Old 11-06-2008, 04:52 PM   #2
 
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I learned my theology from the priests at the Jesuit high school I graduated from. That was pretty much the extent of my religious training since I went to college and graduate school at secular universities. High school prepared me very well for higher education since the Jesuits are renowned for scholastic rigor and maintaining very high academic standards.
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Old 11-06-2008, 06:05 PM   #3
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I don't know that a churches doctrine has ever influenced me in any significant way. I've read the Bible from a very young age and always had a reverence for the words within that superceded church doctrines.
My first fellowship was with a German catholic nanny . . .Kitty, was her name. She spoke only German to me so consequently my first language was German. But she would often pray . . . .it seems I remember her doing the bead thing and trying to show me. What I explicitly recall is that she often made me feel that God was right there in the room as she would pray.
Eventually, we left Germany and my association with church was pretty much interdenominational such as you will find on military bases.
My later teens was spent in a methodist church where the first doctrinal check in my spirit occured as they would recite allegiance to the catholic church. I did'nt even understand at the time why that bothered me . . . .but eventually was the reason I moved to a Baptist church.
I was fine with the Baptists for some yrs when I became curious as to why a particular pastor we had was so against the book of Acts. I was offended by that because I held the whole Bible to be the very word of God. So I became drawn to the book of Acts and subsequently had a Holy Ghost experiance. . . . . . .
Exit, Church Of God . . . . .The first church I could find that was pentecostal was a trinitarian denomination. After being Spirit filled the Scriptures started opening up to me the Oneness of God. This was a concept that got into my spirit and just would'nt let go. I loved the Church of God and was great friends with the Pastor there so I never discussed this belief with any there except for my friend and Pastor Bro Kenneth Trawick. The more we discussed the trinity the more I was convinced that it was a false concept. His last appeal in reasoning was to tell me that I would be miserable at the UPC as they embraced a lot of strict doctrines . . . .generally just running them down.
I was so quite about my oneness views that I did'nt even know that there was a church that embraced the doctrine. So I checked them out but to be honest was intimidated by their concepts of holiness so I remained a pew warmer at the Church of God until my friend and Pastor left.
Soon, my life fell apart and I fell out of the church all together for a spell. Whether I had backslid or not became a matter of opinion . .depending on who you asked. I kept my faith during that time in an even deeper way as I was wrestling with a lot of Job stuff. I was also being strongly led to fellowship with the UPC but was intimidated by the commitment that I saw and felt there.
I've never been a follower . . . .I've always wanted to be true to myself, to others, and most of all to my faith. I felt that I would have to compromise some intangible something that I considered important to fellowship in this new church. So I approached one of the pastors there and kind of explained what I believed and spoke of areas that I might be in disagreement with them.
Turns out that the intangibles were so minor that I was worrying for nothing. But, my point is that I don't conform my beliefs to a church group or an individual but rather try to fellowship with like minded believers as much a possible.
Theres a lot of doctrines that some of you folk read one way or another that I don't fret over too much. I believe in water baptism in Jesus name. My church uses a baptimal . . . .I personally believe in using a creek or a river if possible. But hey . . . .if for some reason a person is not able to be dunked I personally would sprikle if that was the only way . . . .Jesus name is what is important to me.
I believe the Holy Spirit teaches us . . . . .but I don't believe that every thought that crosses a believers mind is a message from the Holy Spirit. Prayer, fasting, seeking God in a humble spirit, my Bible, to me verifys and clarifys the voice.
Once saved always saved is such a hair splitting subject with folk going to the extreme in both courts. Salvation is too precious to treat it like its a done deal and not be pressing towards the mark.
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1. All the gifts are for today.
2. Keep in your Bibles..memorize scripture
3. you can pray in the Spirit and in the understanding.
4, Music is a wonderful way to draw nigh unto God
5. Fasting is powerful
6.Witness to unbelievers.don't be ashamed of The name.
7. Must live a holy life..
I agree with all the above except one item in relation to myself. I find music to be a possible deciever as far as things spiritual go. I'm a lone ranger in this even in my own circles, even between Liz and myself. I just feel that we should'nt need music at all to put us in the Spirit or to have a move of God. . . . .but thats just me and how cautious I am towards things. Could be because of how I've used music myself in the past, but I know music itself creates feelings and emotions. It's hard to explain, but when I recieve a touch from the Lord . .I want to know that it was'nt music induced.

I believe in tithes and offerings. I became conviced of tithing as a duty when I realized that giving in my own name was a self gratifying thing. I could be such a big giver because I did not tithe . . . .it was to me self glorifying. I tithe to the church and the church stewards it in Jesus name . . . .nobody ever knows who Mac is. Offerings usually come from monies that are a sacrifice to give . . .seems right.
Pre trib, Post trib, . . . .don't really know. Just hold to your faith, die if you have to.
I believe salvation is extended to all of man-kind. Of course in God's fore knowledge He already knows the tally.

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Old 11-06-2008, 07:04 PM   #4
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Very interesting Leaf,
I never knew you were in Germany..One place you quoted me ..I felt led to delete..[8D] obviously not quick enough..I didn't realize you had quoted it.I got rid of the "50 % I learned from the Pentecostal church"..I honestly..doubted everything that they ever did..
The Lord Himself through His Spirit and Word had to reveal truths to me..I had been raised to run from these folks,It took about 6 months before I could recieve much of the Pentecostal ways..and even today..I believe God is a God of order..I don't like emotionalism..manipulation ...or confusion..What makes me a Pentecostal is the Baptism in the Holy Ghost and I know that God is very present with us and nothing is impossible with Him..


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Old 11-06-2008, 07:26 PM   #5
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Okey, I think I also have deleted what you had second thoughts about.

I don't think emotionalism is a bad thing. Christ is worth getting emotional about. I think it's a good thing . . .especially when the whole church . . . .reserved folk like myself included . . .can get emotional, cry, dance in the Spirit, pray ferverently, and not be self concious.
Having attended pentecostal churches of all types . . .just visiting or making their revivals, I have seen much that I have disagreed with. Much I have disagreed with, I have been told that I am too critical by those close to me.
One thing I can say about the apostolic pentecostal churches I have attended is that I have never been to a service that was out of order or where there was phoniness going on. I'm sure that somewhere it has happened but in general I would not compare the Apostolic Pentecostal with any other Pentecostal. Sounds biased I know, but I would leave my church tomorrow if I found myself in more accord with any other church.
There's a lot of junk going on in the church world pentecostal or not. I want a real move of God. I don't want to be wowed or manipulated by anything but the hand of God. If God's moving I want to be there, I don't care what the name on the church sign says, I just want to be where the Spirit is active. I don't care if it's trinitarian, oneness, tounges or no, where is God magnified and reflected? . . .So far, I can find no better place . . . .still looking.
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Old 11-06-2008, 07:31 PM   #6
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I've never been to an Apostolic Church Leaf..I may have to visit one..I know where there is one about 6 miles from my house..In Israel I was baptized by an Apostolic preacher and he had me baptize him..according to his directions. I had no problem with that..I hadn't even heard of Oneness yet because this was in 1997 and I met you on 2005..which was my first experience with Oneness believers..
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`The only church that I ever felt I would rather attend than my own was an Independent Apostolic Church in Southern California . . .primarily Hispanic. There is just something there that draws you . . .something about humility and sincerity . . .and something else that just slips my ability to immediatley comprehend.
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Funny how we all read the same Bible and end up with different beliefs ?
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Old 11-07-2008, 12:28 PM   #9
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Hey Alex..

So far I { on here} I don't see too many ..

Now as being a Born Again Jew..yes sir..I can see how you would have more convictions ..You certainly have a wonderful heritage and I'm sure many of the things you do are in not losing that heritage..I was very impressed with the Jewish people in Israel..They certainly are devoted to God.
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C7,

Good question, one that I'm sure will raise the hairon someone's back. I will give my story, but be it known, if anyone wants to argue my theology, you will be arguing with yourself because I won't argue in this forum, too many sinners watching. I was raised in a "holiness" church. One that believed if the women wore makeup, jewelery,short dresses, or short hair, they were splitting hell wide open. About the only restriction I remember for men was that they weren't allowed to wear shorts or go shirtless in public. We were not allowed to buy anything on Sunday. Therefore, the women had to make all of Sunday's meals on Saturday. Honestly, it took me many years to get over that teaching. Don't get me wrong, I am a big believer in holiness. However, I have come to realize, holiness is theeffect of our relationship with Jesus, not the cause. I believe we were created for worship, thus I am a big proponent of passionate worship. I don't believe we should put on a show during worship but everyone acts differently when they stick their finger in a light socket or "source of power." I believe in intimacy with the Father. Some will say that makes me part of a sensual experience but Jesus said "how oft would I have gathered you under my wing as ahen gathers her chicks but you would not." So I think the Father desires intimacy with us. I believe that we asChristians need to think outside the walls of our church buildings and live the example that Jesus gave us when he went to where the needs were.When you read the gospels, you will notice that Jesus always met people at the point of their need instead of waiting on them to come to "church". As a minister in the A/G, I voluntarily hold to their sixteen statements of faith, although I am not lock-step with everything they do. I just believe if I am going to use their name and I am credentialed by them, Ishould at leastnot teach against them. The mission statement of our local church is; To know Him and to make Him known. Honestly, I can think of things that I used to think were wrong or right, but through maturity in the Word of Godand teaching by the Holy Spirit, I have come to learn that I didn't have all the answers. Really to sum it all up, I would have to say thatour relationship with the Heavenly Father has to be a love thing. Just like marraige, I do things out of love for my wife, not just obligation. It is also my love for her that keeps me true to only her. In other words, I don't want to do anything that would come between us. It is, or should be that way in our relationship with God. We don't do certain things because we love Him and He Loves us andI don't want anything to come betweenHe and I. Hope that answers your question.

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