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Old 10-25-2008, 08:18 AM   #1
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I have a 13 year young daughter and a 10 year young son. They both are saved, love and live for the Lord and both have been baptized in the Holy Ghost and filled with the Holy Spirit. They are very well behaved, well mannered, respectful to eldersand obedient to my wife and I and the Word.

Neither one have many friends. They are both homeschooled. Most of my family and my wifes family are against us home schooling our children. My mother in law has threatened to report us to Social serves for "social neglect" of our children.

I look at the kids these days and get angry. I need to pray through on this I know, but I do get down right angry and ticked off when I see these kids. They are little hellions, disobedient to any authority and disrespectful. Sad thing is, most of the parents either dont care or dont know how to fix the problem. So who is to blame? The kids or the parents? I seem to think it's the church! We have lost our voice, power or influence on society. The government hasn't made it better. They cram safe sex down the kids throat making them think that sex is ok outside of marriage, legalizing gay marriages, the garbage on TV should not even be legal and the demonic/evil rap/pop and rock music. The list goes on and on.

I'm no fasion police but the clothes are rude, distastefull and obscene.

So who is to blame? anyone, no one? Is it just me?

Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus!
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:32 AM   #2
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I Commend you. My wife and I had four children, we home schooled the last one Joshua. He is 26 has two little girls that love the lord,his wife is awesome and employs his two older brothers. Not only did he grow up smarter than the others, but by not being around a lot of kids he developed good common sense. Josh and I teamed roped when he was 14 and he cared for our livestock, I think this taught him some serious lessons of life.
As far as I'm concerned most schools and public places are a cesspool of worldly infestations and our children should be protected until they are old enough to stand firm.

Your are a good parent. Now the world will condemn you for the ways of the Lord! Get ready for more of that with the Liberals taking over more and more. God's ways are not mans ways.
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Old 10-25-2008, 10:35 AM   #3
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First of all let your mother in-law call for social neglect. Your children do go to church don't they? And they are allowed to have friends? So you have nothing to worry about.

As far as who is to blame. Yes the churches have lost their voice but at the same time, they cannot make you raise your children in the Lord. But it is the parents responsibility to make sure that kids have a balance of all things such as foods, exercise, love and discipline, ect.

A friend from church is a police officer and he said that he often gets calls to go to homes where the parents use police officers as their only form of discipline.

The fact of the matter is that we all have free will, if we don't want to listen to the church we don't have to, if we don't want societies views we can turn off the t.v., the children are the most innocent in this because they are looking to the parents on behavior and morals. If the parents are not listening to the church and allow the children to watch these shows than the children's behavior will reflect that. If they listen to the church (to God) and screen the things their children watch and people they are around their children's lives will reflect that.

evil begats evil.
righteoussness begats righteoussness.

Continue to listen to God and do what He has called you to do. Remember the great comission, and pray lots. Love your neighbor as yourself.
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Old 10-25-2008, 11:22 AM   #4
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I believe it is a parent's responsibility to raise their children, not the school, not the church, not the "village." Religious instruction may be helpful, but I don't believe it's required. I had absolutely no religious instruction until I met my husband and started, eventually, taking classes on the Catholic faith.

When I was eight years old, my mom explained to me that if I could stay home by myself and behave, that the money she saved on day care for me would enable us to buy our own house. I agreed to behave. This was pretty significant because mom worked six days a week from 6 PM until about 2 AM as a cocktail waitress. Social Services would have considered her leaving me aloneduring that time as unacceptable. But I behaved myself, pretty much, and we got by.

My mom had only two forms of discipline if I misbehaved. And she never disciplined me while she was angry. She would always wait a couple of days until we could both see the situation calmly. (Well she was calm. I would be pretty nervous.) The first form of discipline was a lecture explaining what I had done wrong, why it was wrong, including a discussion of the negative outcomes, if any. The second form included the first plus a whipping with a belt. Social Services would also have considered this unacceptable. But for some reason I understood why it was necessary.

As an example of this, when I first started sixth grade, I was completely bored and started a campaign of being disruptive and obnoxious in class. My mom was called in for a conference. It seems their solution was to move me up to ninth grade and just skip grades six, seven, and eight. My mom refused to allow it and worked out a compromise where I would be given extra homework at an advanced level and assigned to tutor the kids in the class who needed extra help. I was really scared when she got home just knowing I was in for it. But to my surprise we just talked for three or four hours and she explained to me that God had given me a gift and it would be wrong of me to waste it. (She actually mentioned God.) She made me promise to accept the extra responsibility as an aspect of maturity. That whole discussion sticks clearly in my mind, partly because I DID NOT get the whipping that I was sure I was going to get.

My school would be considered substandard for the most part and they do all the sex education and stuff that you hear about. Although they did not promote homosexual behavior or sex outside of marriage, they didn't say it was wrong either. I never got less than an A in my classes, I was valedictorian of my graduating class and I have a full academic scholarship to college. All because of my mom.

Okay, she was only fifteen when I was born and she didn't get married until last summer. But she taught me what a relationship between a man and a woman should be about and what marriage should be about. I was sixteen when we married, but my husband was my first. He is the head of our family and its leader. As far as I am concerned, that is the way it should be. Who taught me all this? My mother, all by herself, no help from schools or churches.

Okay I went on and on again. My husband will verify that I talk almost constantly, except when we're hunting.

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Old 10-25-2008, 12:10 PM   #5
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WE home schooled both our boys...They started college in the 10th grade..My wife actually did the school.I'm not smart enough ..High School is tough..We have many home schoolers in FLorida..
God bless you..
We as Christians aregiven the responsibility to raise our children in the Lord.
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Old 10-28-2008, 04:56 PM   #6
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Been thinking on this a few days and feel led to respond to a part of the original post.

Regarding how other folks kids behave and or respond, if all circumstances are not
known it's not a good idea to start applying "blame" or any type judgement on the
kids or the guardians.
I'm not a "good old days" kind of person as I believe the old days had their own social ills.
But it can not be denied that our society is in the strangle hold of a terrible epidemic of
drug use, most notably methamphetamines/crack and other cheap and addicting drugs.
The self inflicted problems the addicts face are, to me, NOTHING compared to the
life long misery a huge number of abandoned children are dealing with. The way this misery
is almost always expressed, especially by boys, is anANGER that they not only cannot
understand but often cannot control. Think about it. How would anyone feel if they
knew their parent(s) was out there somewhere but just didn't take the time or care
enough to come and see them or at least call? Abandoned them to the care of someone
else. You canshow a child that they are loved and cared for but if theirownparent won't
put any effort into their lives aretheygoing tofeel WORTH ANYTHING??? Veryoften they will not.
If you don't have a feeling of worththen ANGER and or DEPRESSION (which is how a lot
of girls react) can be a constant struggle and will usually be seen (understandably) as
anti-social behavior.
Sorry to rant but not all "bad behavior" can be so easily controlled or changed.
Anyone that has had a consistant home life from their birth is truly blessed.
More and more kids can't count that blessing and it has a HUGE affect on them.

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Old 10-28-2008, 05:20 PM   #7
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The way this misery
is almost always expressed, especially by boys, is anANGER that they not only cannot
understand but often cannot control. Think about it. How would anyone feel if they
knew their parent(s) was out there somewhere but just didn't take the time or care
enough to come and see them or at least call? Abandoned them to the care of someone
else. You canshow a child that they are loved and cared for but if theirownparent won't
put any effort into their lives aretheygoing tofeel WORTH ANYTHING??? Veryoften they will not.
If you don't have a feeling of worththen ANGER and or DEPRESSION (which is how a lot
of girls react) can be a constant struggle and will usually be seen (understandably) as
anti-social behavior.
Sorry to rant but not all "bad behavior" can be so easily controlled or changed.
PKnTX,

I have to agree 100% ..I have 17 kids in my classroom.WE live in the poorest , perverted, most drug infested area of the county..I kid you not..Many of these kids are going to treatment for anger issues in my class. 4/17 of mine go..I have a contract with 5 of them daily to get them to not over react..in which I buy them a soda and pack of crackers daily. I just had a conference last week on a little girl and contunually gets up out of her seat and walks to my desk and calls me her puppy dog..LOL Anyway her grades were lacking so I called in her mom for a conference..Her mom shared how she is getting help with her meth addiction and how her daughter has been in and out of 17 foster homes..[&o]..she's 9 years old.I shared Christ with the mom....

Yep..not everyone is given the same opportunities..I just read today..we will be responsible for what we each have individually recieved from Christ..The kids and parents are getting usedto me and I'm starting to share Christ Jesus daily..Once the anger kids know you really care..they are much more apt to respond to you..but it is a continual battle of tough love against all the rejection and disappointments that they have been through..and the acting out that these children do to either get attention or to advoid failure ..

Trust me..we earn our paychecks..
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