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Old 10-02-2008, 02:20 PM   #1
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[align=left]Vatican bans use of Name of Yahweh in Catholic Church services

On June 29, 2008, the top liturgical body of the Vatican sent a letter to Catholic bishops around the world with an explicit directive from Pope Benedict XVI, stating that the Name of God should never be pronounced as Yahweh in song or worship. The reason for such a directive is given as it is against Jewish and Christian tradition.

This is a very significant move on the part of the Vatican as the Catholics have used the spelling Yahweh in many of their officially published works. In the Telugu Catholic version of the Bible the Name of Elohim is spelled as Yahweh in many verses. The Pope is the spiritual leader for approximately one billion(1,000,000,000) people worldwide; up to this time Catholics have been using the Name of Yahweh in their songbooks, prayer books, and Bibles, but the Popes directive will attempt to stop this practice. Many millions of songbooks, prayer books and Bibles will have to be changed to come into harmony with this directive. That the most powerful leader in Christendom would make an official prohibition for all his people shows the importance of this issue to the Vatican.

The Scriptures command to bless in, call upon, sing to, etc the Name of Yahweh. But most Catholics put church tradition above the Scriptural commandments.

Yahshua Mashiach said, But in vain they do worship Me(YHWH), teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Matt. 15:9

Joel 2:32
- And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the Name of Yahweh shall be delivered:

Dt. 21:5 And the priests the sons of Levi shall come near; for them Yahweh thy Elohim hath chosen to minister unto Him, and to bless in the Name of Yahweh.

Ps. 22:50 Therefore I will praise you, O Yahweh, among the nations; I will sing praises to your Name.

The prohibitive letter from the Pope further instructed that the Name of Yahweh in Catholic worship should be replaced with the title Dominus(Lord) in Latin or the equivalent in whatever language it is translated into.

Moshe said, Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of Yahweh your Elohim which I command you. Dt. 4:2

By replacing Yahwehs Name with a Title many have taken away from and added to the Torah of Yahweh.

King Dawid said,Say among the nations that Yahweh reigneth: Ps. 96:10

If the Name of Yahweh is removed from this verse and the Title the LORD is added, as is done in
many translations of the Bible, there will be confusion in many minds as to which Lord?, as in Hinduism and other religions there are many deities that have the title the Lord.

Yahweh said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Ysrael, Yahweh, Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Yitzkhak, and the Elohim of Yacob, hath sent me unto you: this is My Name for ever, and this is My memorial unto all generations. Ex. 3:15
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Old 10-02-2008, 02:52 PM   #3
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The pope is following tradition. In the Jewish tradition the Name is never spoken and hasn't been for many, many generations. When you come to the Name while reading, you substitute "Adonai" which apparently means Lord.

Since Hebrew has no vowels, note that YHWH is all consonsants, the actual pronunciation has been lost. (When you learn to read Hebrew, you have to memorize the vowel sounds in the words, I guess.)

The pope is just respecting Jewish tradition and also acknowedging the fact that we don't know how to pronounce it anyway. We've run acrossthe Nameoccasionally in a hymn. My husband explained it to me, so when we encounter it, we don't say it.

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Old 10-02-2008, 03:53 PM   #4
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The Correct name is Yahavav as their is no W in Hebrew nor E.
Aleph or the A is not a vowel in Hebrew but can be pronounce as such.
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The Correct name is Yahavav as their is no W in Hebrew nor E.
Aleph or the A is not a vowel in Hebrew but can be pronounce as such.
1- Just pointing out that the pope is not dissing God or the Scriptures, but merely respecting Jewish tradition.

2- Also pointing out that nobody knows how the Name should be pronounced anyway.

I don't know this stuff myself. Daddy (my husband) is part Jewish and fills me in on some of these details.

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I cannot remember where but I heard somewhere that you should not say that name aloud anyway? Is there any truth to this?
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Old 10-02-2008, 06:06 PM   #7
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I cannot remember where but I heard somewhere that you should not say that name aloud anyway? Is there any truth to this?
Rabbinical Tradition dictates this, Not the Torah.
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Sorry but I have to plead ignorance. What does that mean? lol
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Sorry but I have to plead ignorance. What does that mean? lol
I'm not sure of the basis and daddy is kind of busy right now. But it's a very old tradition that one does not speak the Name out loud. So you use a substitute. Since Hebrew doesn't have vowels, no one knows at this point what the Name really is. So even if you use it, you could be saying it wrong. The pope is just going along with tradition.

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Well I would think that nobody knows best about Jewish traditions better than a Jew himself, especially if he himself speaks Hebrew, right Kosherboy?
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