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Old 08-02-2008, 11:52 PM   #1
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Modern Miracles"”True or False?

By WAYNE JACKSON
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Some years ago I prepared an essay titled: A Study of Divine Providence. In that piece I pointed out, among other things, that although God is providentially working in today"™s world through his natural laws, the Lord is not performing "śmiracles"ť in this age.
In response to that article, I received an irate letter from a Pentecostal reader who characterized the study as a "śnon-scriptural, non-edifying"ť exercise that denies the power of God.
We do not question the sincerity of most critics, but the letter reflected a type of uninformed emotionalism that unfortunately is common. The following statement from his note is typically "śPentecostal."ť
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The miracle power of Christ was at work when my friend was healed instantly of terminal cancer, including the scar tissue from the radiation.
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He then declared: "śThe proof is in the pudding."ť
All we ask is: "śLet us see the evidence that there was any pudding!"ť
Does the gentleman actually expect anyone to believe that story in the absence of any objective evidence whatever? Were there before-and-after x-rays that document the "śmiracle"ť? Is there written testimony from competent physicians regarding the instantaneous disappearance of the "śterminal cancer"ť"”scar tissue and all? If so, where is it? And if the Lord miraculously healed the cancer victim, why was radiation necessary?
I have been investigating these miracle claims for half a century, and not one time have I ever seen anything that even remotely resembles the type of miracles that adorn the pages of the Bible.
Where is the modern instant restoration of a severed ear? Where is the Pentecostal minister who can walk on water? Where is the corpse that was four days in the grave, and walked out? Those who contend for modern miracles simply have not studied the issue sufficiently to identify the nature of a genuine miracle.
Many years ago, Oral Roberts came to our city with his "śmiracle working"ť campaign. We ran a newspaper advertisement offering a $1,000 reward for medical proof of a single miracle. Roberts never sought to claim the reward. He subsequently went back to Tulsa and established a hospital in which to treat the sick!
When the late Ronald Coyne, a small-time "śhealer"ť from Oklahoma, came to our community, claiming that he could miraculously see through a "śplastic eye,"ť we offered to pay all expenses if he would submit to testing administered by a qualified ophthalmologist. He declined the offer and threatened to sue me. I urged him to do so, for the courtroom is a real arena for the examination of evidence. He took his "śmagic eye"ť con game and left town.
When another "śmiracle-worker"ť came to our city, claiming he could raise the dead, I offered to accompany him to a nearby cemetery. I suggested that he could pray for a corpse to "ścome up,"ť and I would pray for it to "śstay down"ť"”thus, we could demonstrate who had the greater power!
I have seen witch-doctors in Africa who claimed they could mutter incantations over a chicken gizzard and miracles would result, but there was no proof. In spite of the lack of any credible evidence, the poor and ignorant people of the village were offering the same kind of unsubstantiated testimony as do our Pentecostal critics.
This issue is not one to be decided by the subjective testimony of those who "śfeel"ť that God is working signs today; rather, it turns upon the critical examination of the facts in the light of plain Bible teaching.
The New Testament teaches that miracles occupied a special place in God"™s redemptive plan, and they have not been extended throughout the Christian dispensation. See the article, Miracles on this website.
Some have sought to argue that miracles have continued beyond the apostolic age, but Dr. A. P. Waterson responds:
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It has also been shown that the frequently quoted passages in Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Justin Martyr which purport to show that miracles of healing continued well into the 3rd century will not in fact bear that testimony (318).
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Old 08-03-2008, 05:56 AM   #2
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I agree Mr. Fife that there's a lot of fakery in the "miracle" business. But could miracles happen in our day and age? I'll give that question a definite "maybe."


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Old 08-03-2008, 07:15 AM   #3
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We have had enough discussions as to what the phrase "shall be done away with" means. Those who reject its biblical context seem to have a dire need, almost an addiction, to discredit God, his word, and any who "just might" possibly have experienced something from God that they have not received. The "I have it ALL" so therefore "you can't possibly have" form God. TF, I concider you a friend and Brother in the Lord, but I don't understand the need to fight against Gods word with doctrines that fail the test of scriptures.
Answer a couple of questions.

If one is healed by your doctrine, and interpretation of scripture, could it possibly be God doing a miracle?

If it couldn't be of God, is the deceive, healed one lost because of his false doctrine and engaging in the powers of satanic influence and attributing it to God?

If you have any scripture that says miracles have already ceased, please post them instead of a copy and paste of one who has no position with God which gives him that right to declare a Gospel that is different from the one preached by the early church.

It's time to follow God or follow man. We can't follow both and be saved can we?
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Old 08-03-2008, 10:24 AM   #4
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When were miracles not scoffed at? When were there not at least some folk that believed that thru Christ all things are possible? When was a miracle anything other than a miracle?
To take you folks as a whole one would have to accept that the Bible is a lie, or if at least if some of it were true then many of the prophets and diciples were liars. One would have to believe that only a very few fortunate elect would be offered salvation thru the cross. One would have to believe that we serve a deaf powerless God that does'nt answer prayer or intervene in the lives of men. The more I read here the more Joh 1:5 comes to mind. I would like to hear more from you folk as to what God can do, what God will do, and the truth that He has revealed in His written Word.
This is getting to be a real ugly place with this nay saying, God limiting, I know more than the Bible mentality.
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When were miracles not scoffed at? When were there not at least some folk that believed that thru Christ all things are possible? When was a miracle anything other than a miracle?
To take you folks as a whole one would have to accept that the Bible is a lie, or if at least if some of it were true then many of the prophets and diciples were liars. One would have to believe that only a very few fortunate elect would be offered salvation thru the cross. One would have to believe that we serve a deaf powerless God that does'nt answer prayer or intervene in the lives of men. The more I read here the more Joh 1:5 comes to mind. I would like to hear more from you folk as to what God can do, what God will do, and the truth that He has revealed in His written Word.
This is getting to be a real ugly place with this nay saying, God limiting, I know more than the Bible mentality.
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Old 08-03-2008, 10:54 AM   #6
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When were miracles not scoffed at? When were there not at least some folk that believed that thru Christ all things are possible? When was a miracle anything other than a miracle?
To take you folks as a whole one would have to accept that the Bible is a lie, or if at least if some of it were true then many of the prophets and diciples were liars. One would have to believe that only a very few fortunate elect would be offered salvation thru the cross. One would have to believe that we serve a deaf powerless God that does'nt answer prayer or intervene in the lives of men. The more I read here the more Joh 1:5 comes to mind. I would like to hear more from you folk as to what God can do, what God will do, and the truth that He has revealed in His written Word.
This is getting to be a real ugly place with this nay saying, God limiting, I know more than the Bible mentality.
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Old 08-03-2008, 01:06 PM   #7
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This has been gone over several times, and it seems that the same tactics are used. If you have a different understanding of a particular passage you get accused to trying to limit God or His power, not believing the Bible, discrediting God,etc. etc. etc. Calling me a fool or a liar because I don't interpret a verse the same way you do isn't going to help a thing.

I have brought up the fact that miracles, if still performed, are not performed in the same manner as they were in the Bible. Miracles were performed to confirm the Word before those who did not believe. They were performed out in the open, before varying crowds of onlookers--not in private, not in secret. They were unquestionable--as with the leper, the blind man, the soldier who has his ear cut off, etc. There were specific people in the Bible who had this gift. There are no provisions in the Bible that tell us that any of this would change.

Things we cannot explain, either through reason or science or religion, happen all the time. People who have no belief in God whatsoever experience "miracles". People of various religions do as well. Some who are devoutly religious all of their lives never see a one. Seems this can't be explained.

At any rate, making false and foolish accusations because someone doesn't hold the same views you do isn't going to benefit anyone. If that's the best you can do to "prove" your point, maybe you should examine yourself and your beliefs.

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I will reiterate again, I cannot dismiss God doing miracles today, I have experience personally 3 resurrections and countless healing, Just because they didn't take place on TV doesn't mean they did not happened.
Go ahead and believe what you will, it just seems God works through those that believe he is GOD (Almighty),IMO.
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Calling me a fool or a liar because I don't interpret a verse the same way you do isn't going to help a thing.

You are right Chad, but I have given you personal experiences that I personally witnessed, in our discussions here in the past. To personally call my experiences false and a lie doesn't help either.

Miracles were performed to confirm the Word before those who did not believe.

The bible doesn't say that Chad, you added that they were done to confirm the word to unbelievers. Jesus said no other sign would be given that generation except the sign of Jonas.

They were performed out in the open, before varying crowds of onlookers--not in private, not in secret.

What miracle have I ever mentioned that was done in secret? I don't recall anyone saying that except you COC brethern.

Chad do you believe this quote that you made?

There were specific people in the Bible who had this gift. There are no provisions in the Bible that tell us that any of this would change.

That seems to be a direct contradition to the rest of your post. If the scripture didn't say that there was a change made, who made the change without a scriptural base to justify it?

At any rate, making false and foolish accusations because someone doesn't hold the same views you do isn't going to benefit anyone. If that's the best you can do to "prove" your point, maybe you should examine yourself and your beliefs.


Chad I fail to see the false and foolish statements that you mention. I do think I see another shot at the rest of the board because they don't hold Mr Jackson's unscriptural views. If God doesn't perform miracles today, are miracles satanic in origin? Those like myself who have prayed for others and witnessed an answer to pray, are we of satan? Don't pull any punches, tell it as you see it. Are we devils or christians?
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Old 08-03-2008, 02:50 PM   #10
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Is God the same today as He was "yesterday" so to speak? Yes He is!

If "miracles" happened then, why can't they happen now? If it did happen, would you be "sore amazed"? as Jesus own desciples were?

Miracles, healings and the such should not be an amazing event but an everyday lifestyle for believers.

I heard a great teaching by Andrew Womack on "Hardened Hearts". Mark 6 was his text that he started in, mainly verse 52.

Anyway, John 14:12 sums it up. He wasn't just talking to his desciples, He said AMP "if ANYONE steadfastly believes". I am an "ANYONE".

There is no such thing as modern miracles, it shouldjust be everday things believers do to bring glory tothe Father through Jesus Christ!
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