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Old 06-27-2008, 10:33 PM   #1
 
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I always wondered why the freemasons that I have discussed Christ with were all so big on "So why did he say Why has my father forsaken me in his last hour? "

I think I know why but I could be wrong, but maybe not. In this video it appears that they think he was nothing more than a spiritual man who was sacraficed to the egyptian sun god. Hence the big letter "G" for gnostisism. Please watch this video. By the way, they are dead wrong about their ancient gnosis. This could also be the reason that they do not believe the bible so much to be accurate, however unknowingly. Perhaps some of the 33rd degree masons can shed some "light" on this?

The all seeing eye in this video appears to be representitive of the Sun God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeEX-M7rHAc&feature=related


Folks, I am pretty sure now that this is what "the craft" believes in, however most of the lower degrees may not know it and are prepped and groomed into it for later on.

Also, the author wonders why You Tube kept deleting it. I wonder if the You Tube administrators who were deleting it were trying to preserve the ancient secret? LOL
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Old 06-28-2008, 11:34 AM   #2
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I think most Christians know the answer to that apparently vexing question asked by masons. In dying on the cross, Christ was away from God's spirit and that must have been even more agonizing that the crucifixion. Imagine being in God's glory for your whole existence and then dying alone on a cross. That must have been truly depressing and horrifying.
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Old 06-28-2008, 07:32 PM   #3
 
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That is strange, I always thought he and the father were one in the same. Meaning God was in two places at the same time. One in the flesh and one in heaven! In fact, I still do. Sorry!

Maybe he only did that as part of setting the example? All I know is that Satan probably felt like he defeated but then had his chump card pulled. Christ is the almighty and Lord of everone and everything.
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I should have realized this was a cleverly disguised trinity discussion.[:-]
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No baiting at all my friend. You just chose to take it down a different road. Your belief stands to fall into the clutches of thier "knowlege" however. [:'(]

A question for you. Was Jesus Christ a teacher or is Jesus Christ THE Teacher?
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"Your belief stands to fall into the clutches of thier "knowlege" however." [:'(]

Swift Arrow.

Hey , I was reading this thread..can you please explain in depth what the quote above means.. I can not make any sense out of it..
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We cannot explain what, why, or how the masons come to beleive what they believe by the scriptures. We also cannot explain what the bible teaches by qouting phrases from free masonary. To understand free masonary, go to Albert Pike, to understand Christianity, go to Jesus.

To understand the scriptures concerning The Godhead, works on the same theory. One cannot conpare apples to oranges. That which is Spirit IS Spirit. That which is flesh IS flesh. Oil and water doesn't mix.
The man Christ Jesus, was flesh. Made of a woman, made under the law. The bible doesn't declare that God was flesh. It states that God was IN THE flesh. One cannot crucify a spirit which hath not flesh and bones as the body of Christ had. God is eternal. One cannot kill one who is eternal. The bible says that had they known, they would not have KILLED the Lord of Glory. God was and still is everywhere. The heavens and the earth cannot contain him. The flesh of the man Christ Jesus could only be in one place at any one time. He was made in the likeness of man. Made like unto his brethern. When we learn to be in two places at the same time, then we can say that the flesh of Jesus filled all things at the same time, until then we must except the fact that Jesus had a dual nature. A nature of humanity, and a devine nature of God. We cannot make the man God, neither the God man.
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I've always wondered about this too but I figured this was the point when the sin of the world was placed on him for the sacrifice thus seperating him from God.
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Snooky,

Thanks for responding. Was this part a typo? "We also cannot explain what the bible teaches by qouting phrases from free masonary".....

I would not think that the Holy Bible would quote anything from freemasonry. It has been my experience that freemasonry takes quotations from freemasonry but takes them out of context so as to further confuse its un-suspecting members.

Just my observation.
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We cannot explain what, why, or how the masons come to beleive what they believe by the scriptures. We also cannot explain what the bible teaches by qouting phrases from free masonary. To understand free masonary, go to Albert Pike, to understand Christianity, go to Jesus.

To understand the scriptures concerning The Godhead, works on the same theory. One cannot conpare apples to oranges. That which is Spirit IS Spirit. That which is flesh IS flesh. Oil and water doesn't mix.
The man Christ Jesus, was flesh. Made of a woman, made under the law. The bible doesn't declare that God was flesh. It states that God was IN THE flesh. One cannot crucify a spirit which hath not flesh and bones as the body of Christ had. God is eternal. One cannot kill one who is eternal. The bible says that had they known, they would not have KILLED the Lord of Glory. God was and still is everywhere. The heavens and the earth cannot contain him. The flesh of the man Christ Jesus could only be in one place at any one time. He was made in the likeness of man. Made like unto his brethern. When we learn to be in two places at the same time, then we can say that the flesh of Jesus filled all things at the same time, until then we must except the fact that Jesus had a dual nature. A nature of humanity, and a devine nature of God. We cannot make the man God, neither the God man.
You do make quite a bit of sense and I will give this more thought. I know that the flesh cannot be in more than one place at one time. I am saying that God was in heaven at the same time that he was walking the earth in the flesh because God can do things that we cannot.

No you're right,God cannot die for our sins. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus was born of a woman however? I was under the impression that his mother was a virgin? Are you trying to say that this part of the Bible is falsified by manor do I need to re-read the word of God?
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