But no one has yet proven evolution or shown me a 1/2 boy 1/2 monkey...
Thats the difference.
MET
I think I need to repeat one of my earlier posts.Â*
What you are describing would not be considered transitional forms, they would be called chimeras.Â* Chimeras were common in ancient mythology and represented by such creatures asÂ*the centaur or sphynx.Â* The Theory of evolution does not require the existance of chimeras and in fact if actualÂ*chimeras were ever foundÂ*it would falsify the theory of evolution by violating theÂ*set ofÂ*nested heirarchies that inevitably result as aÂ*mathematical consequence of the branching processes that characterizes evolution.
Transitional forms, of which there are many examplesÂ*in the fossil record, are organisms that are fully functional but haveÂ*character traits common to two different groups of organisms.Â* The best known example isÂ*Archaeopteryx which hadÂ*feathers like birds but also teeth and a long bony tail like reptiles.Â* A less well known but more completely documented sequence of transitional forms are the mammal like reptiles known as therapsids that lived between 200 and 250 million years ago.Â* The earliest Therapsids had skulls that had some mammallian features but were more reptile like.Â* Later Therapsids still retained some reptillianÂ*features in their skulls but their skullsÂ*were more consistent with those of mammals.Â* This transition took place over millions of years with the most reptile likeÂ*specimens found in the deepest strata and the most mammal like in the higher stratas.
I hope this clears up your confusion as toÂ*the difference betweenÂ*transitional forms, which are real, and chimeras which are found only in mythology.Â*Â*Â*Â*
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I think I will repeat one of my earlier posts also
Actually some ornithologist scientist say different about Archaeopteryx, they say its just a bird. But after a hundred years still no other Archaeopteryx showing a developement in its evolution it could be they are backing away from it, maybe it has a common ancestor
As for Therapsids, I believe George Gaylord Simpson Professor of zoology at Columbia University said it best
The earliest and most primitive members of every order already have the basic ordinal characters, and in no case is an approximate continuous series from one order to another known. In most cases, the break is so sharp and the gap so large that the origin of the order is speculative and much disputed
This was said because of the lack of fossil evidence to back evolution. Of course there was a evolutionist theory that said instead of gradual adaptation a spieces produced a radical offspring(monster theory) thus no fossil record. A theory about a theory that pretty much says you dont have to have evidence, how convenient. No use off a little thing like evidence to stop a good theory.
But no one has yet proven evolution or shown me a 1/2 boy 1/2 monkey...
Thats the difference.
MET
I think I need to repeat one of my earlier posts.Â*
What you are describing would not be considered transitional forms, they would be called chimeras.Â* Chimeras were common in ancient mythology and represented by such creatures asÂ*the centaur or sphynx.Â* The Theory of evolution does not require the existance of chimeras and in fact if actualÂ*chimeras were ever foundÂ*it would falsify the theory of evolution by violating theÂ*set ofÂ*nested heirarchies that inevitably result as aÂ*mathematical consequence of the branching processes that characterizes evolution.
Transitional forms, of which there are many examplesÂ*in the fossil record, are organisms that are fully functional but haveÂ*character traits common to two different groups of organisms.Â* The best known example isÂ*Archaeopteryx which hadÂ*feathers like birds but also teeth and a long bony tail like reptiles.Â* A less well known but more completely documented sequence of transitional forms are the mammal like reptiles known as therapsids that lived between 200 and 250 million years ago.Â* The earliest Therapsids had skulls that had some mammallian features but were more reptile like.Â* Later Therapsids still retained some reptillianÂ*features in their skulls but their skullsÂ*were more consistent with those of mammals.Â* This transition took place over millions of years with the most reptile likeÂ*specimens found in the deepest strata and the most mammal like in the higher stratas.
I hope this clears up your confusion as toÂ*the difference betweenÂ*transitional forms, which are real, and chimeras which are found only in mythology.Â*Â*Â*Â*
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I for one believe that transitional forms existed, but for brief moments, in other words when God said let it be all kinds of things grew out of the waters the genesis accounts in Hebrew says the waters boiled with life, in other words things came out of the nothing by the power of God's word and became as they are after rapidly changing, this happened in seconds and not millions of years as taught in evolution.
Gen. 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Kosherboy that pretty covers the view for me, creatures bring forth after their kind. A bird may great bigger small, have different colors, but it will still be a bird. I have tried the Bible , and found it to be true.
Sorry if the site I posted wasn't "interesting" enough for you. I sincerely apologize. You asked for evidence of transition fossils, I provided a link. I really did not take that much time to research a better website because I am at work, but if you would like a better one, I would be happy to ablige you at a better time.
Oh, and as far as the sites that have listed, you don't think I can't list just as many pro-evolution sites as you can pro-creation sites? Come on...
But no one has yet proven evolution or shown me a 1/2 boy 1/2 monkey...
Thats the difference.
MET
I think I need to repeat one of my earlier posts.
What you are describing would not be considered transitional forms, they would be called chimeras. Chimeras were common in ancient mythology and represented by such creatures asthe centaur or sphynx. The Theory of evolution does not require the existance of chimeras and in fact if actualchimeras were ever foundit would falsify the theory of evolution by violating theset ofnested heirarchies that inevitably result as amathematical consequence of the branching processes that characterizes evolution.
Transitional forms, of which there are many examplesin the fossil record, are organisms that are fully functional but havecharacter traits common to two different groups of organisms. The best known example isArchaeopteryx which hadfeathers like birds but also teeth and a long bony tail like reptiles. A less well known but more completely documented sequence of transitional forms are the mammal like reptiles known as therapsids that lived between 200 and 250 million years ago. The earliest Therapsids had skulls that had some mammallian features but were more reptile like. Later Therapsids still retained some reptillianfeatures in their skulls but their skullswere more consistent with those of mammals. This transition took place over millions of years with the most reptile likespecimens found in the deepest strata and the most mammal like in the higher stratas.
I hope this clears up your confusion as tothe difference betweentransitional forms, which are real, and chimeras which are found only in mythology.
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I for one believe that transitional forms existed, but for brief moments, in other words when God said let it be all kinds of things grew out of the waters the genesis accounts in Hebrew says the waters boiled with life, in other words things came out of the nothing by the power of God's word and became as they are after rapidly changing, this happened in seconds and not millions of years as taught in evolution.
Gen. 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Kosherboy that pretty covers the view for me, creatures bring forth after their kind. A bird may great bigger small, have different colors, but it will still be a bird. I have tried the Bible , and found it to be true.
Yes it is true, cause the word says so, what you and I don't know is the process by which they became a whale and what the whale was made of, it could have being a protozoa ot a glob of jelly which carried the whale genes and that jelly is the whale origins,etc etc etc.
The Bible is not a book of modern day science and doesn't go into detail as to how God made things, for instance in english in Genesis it says and the wind of God moved upon the waters which were upon the waters, there is no suchwords in the hebrew Torah, The Torah implies it was compressed water upon which the spirit of God moved upon, or solid water not iced but solid, the same word is the root of the modern word of JELLO, but you cannot grasp that from the english translations it just gives us a perspective, science can only deal with what they can measure and test, not with a power of a being that exist outside those rules.
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The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. Zephaniah 1:14
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Sorry if the site I posted wasn't "interesting" enough for you.Â* I sincerely apologize.Â* You asked for evidence of transition fossils, I provided a link.Â* I really did not take that much time to research a better website because I am at work, but if you would like a better one, I would be happy to ablige you at a better time.Â*
Oh, and as far as the sites that have listed, you don't think I can't list just as many pro-evolution sites as you can pro-creation sites?Â* Come on...
Actually I had just shown another of supposedly transitionals can not be taken as evidence from arguement of one of thier own scientist. As for evolution being a theory, many class it as a religion for faith required to back said view.
But no one has yet proven evolution or shown me a 1/2 boy 1/2 monkey...
Thats the difference.
MET
I think I need to repeat one of my earlier posts.Â*
What you are describing would not be considered transitional forms, they would be called chimeras.Â* Chimeras were common in ancient mythology and represented by such creatures asÂ*the centaur or sphynx.Â* The Theory of evolution does not require the existance of chimeras and in fact if actualÂ*chimeras were ever foundÂ*it would falsify the theory of evolution by violating theÂ*set ofÂ*nested heirarchies that inevitably result as aÂ*mathematical consequence of the branching processes that characterizes evolution.
Transitional forms, of which there are many examplesÂ*in the fossil record, are organisms that are fully functional but haveÂ*character traits common to two different groups of organisms.Â* The best known example isÂ*Archaeopteryx which hadÂ*feathers like birds but also teeth and a long bony tail like reptiles.Â* A less well known but more completely documented sequence of transitional forms are the mammal like reptiles known as therapsids that lived between 200 and 250 million years ago.Â* The earliest Therapsids had skulls that had some mammallian features but were more reptile like.Â* Later Therapsids still retained some reptillianÂ*features in their skulls but their skullsÂ*were more consistent with those of mammals.Â* This transition took place over millions of years with the most reptile likeÂ*specimens found in the deepest strata and the most mammal like in the higher stratas.
I hope this clears up your confusion as toÂ*the difference betweenÂ*transitional forms, which are real, and chimeras which are found only in mythology.Â*Â*Â*Â*
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I for one believe that transitional forms existed, but for brief moments, in other words when God said let it be all kinds of things grew out of the waters the genesis accounts in Hebrew says the waters boiled with life, in other words things came out of the nothing by the power of God's word and became as they are after rapidly changing, this happened in seconds and not millions of years as taught in evolution.
Gen. 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Kosherboy that pretty covers the view for me, creatures bring forth after their kind. A bird may great bigger small, have different colors, but it will still be a bird. I have tried the Bible , and found it to be true.
Yes it is true, cause the word says so, what you and I don't know is the process by which they became a whale and what the whale was made of, it could have being a protozoa ot a glob of jelly which carried the whale genes and that jelly is the whale origins,etc etc etc.
The Bible is not a book of modern day science and doesn't go into detail as to how God made things, for instance in english in Genesis it says and the wind of God moved upon the waters which were upon the waters, there is no suchÂ*words in the hebrew Torah, The Torah implies it was compressed water upon which the spirit of God moved upon, or solid water not iced but solid, the same word is the root of the modern word of JELLO, but you cannot grasp that from the english translations it just gives us a perspective, science can only deal with what they can measure and test, not with a power of a being that exist outside those rules.
Kosherboy
Gen.2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
That kinda eliminates, the everything coming from ocean thing for me. My view on Bible is, God is more than able to preserve his word for translation to translation. While I believe the translators should keep it word for word as close as possible allowing for current languages. The concept of trying make easyer understood Bibles is a dangerous path. The translator makes the assumption he has perfect understanding, of the whole thing, spiritually and naturally. But I know God is aware of all these things.
You bring up a interesting point, about the face of the deep. I have heard the view that the universe was entirely water, as you said of some kind.
Gen 1
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
So then heaven divided the waters. It is also interesting that under such conditions when the Bible was written that statement, let there be light in the water element would not be understood. But with discovery of Sonoluminence it seems to confirm the Bible.
But no one has yet proven evolution or shown me a 1/2 boy 1/2 monkey...
Thats the difference.
MET
I think I need to repeat one of my earlier posts.
What you are describing would not be considered transitional forms, they would be called chimeras. Chimeras were common in ancient mythology and represented by such creatures asthe centaur or sphynx. The Theory of evolution does not require the existance of chimeras and in fact if actualchimeras were ever foundit would falsify the theory of evolution by violating theset ofnested heirarchies that inevitably result as amathematical consequence of the branching processes that characterizes evolution.
Transitional forms, of which there are many examplesin the fossil record, are organisms that are fully functional but havecharacter traits common to two different groups of organisms. The best known example isArchaeopteryx which hadfeathers like birds but also teeth and a long bony tail like reptiles. A less well known but more completely documented sequence of transitional forms are the mammal like reptiles known as therapsids that lived between 200 and 250 million years ago. The earliest Therapsids had skulls that had some mammallian features but were more reptile like. Later Therapsids still retained some reptillianfeatures in their skulls but their skullswere more consistent with those of mammals. This transition took place over millions of years with the most reptile likespecimens found in the deepest strata and the most mammal like in the higher stratas.
I hope this clears up your confusion as tothe difference betweentransitional forms, which are real, and chimeras which are found only in mythology.
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I for one believe that transitional forms existed, but for brief moments, in other words when God said let it be all kinds of things grew out of the waters the genesis accounts in Hebrew says the waters boiled with life, in other words things came out of the nothing by the power of God's word and became as they are after rapidly changing, this happened in seconds and not millions of years as taught in evolution.
Gen. 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Kosherboy that pretty covers the view for me, creatures bring forth after their kind. A bird may great bigger small, have different colors, but it will still be a bird. I have tried the Bible , and found it to be true.
Yes it is true, cause the word says so, what you and I don't know is the process by which they became a whale and what the whale was made of, it could have being a protozoa ot a glob of jelly which carried the whale genes and that jelly is the whale origins,etc etc etc.
The Bible is not a book of modern day science and doesn't go into detail as to how God made things, for instance in english in Genesis it says and the wind of God moved upon the waters which were upon the waters, there is no suchwords in the hebrew Torah, The Torah implies it was compressed water upon which the spirit of God moved upon, or solid water not iced but solid, the same word is the root of the modern word of JELLO, but you cannot grasp that from the english translations it just gives us a perspective, science can only deal with what they can measure and test, not with a power of a being that exist outside those rules.
Kosherboy
Gen.2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
That kinda eliminates, the everything coming from ocean thing for me. My view on Bible is, God is more than able to preserve his word for translation to translation. While I believe the translators should keep it word for word as close as possible allowing for current languages. The concept of trying make easyer understood Bibles is a dangerous path. The translator makes the assumption he has perfect understanding, of the whole thing, spiritually and naturally. But I know God is aware of all these things.
You bring up a interesting point, about the face of the deep. I have heard the view that the universe was entirely water, as you said of some kind.
Gen 1
6 ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
So then heaven divided the waters. It is also interesting that under such conditions when the Bible was written that statement, let there be light in the water element would not be understood. But with discovery of Sonoluminence it seems to confirm the Bible.
2nd Peter 3
5
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
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The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. Zephaniah 1:14
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RE: whats your opinion
behave MT.
