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Old 04-24-2008, 09:41 PM   #1
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Jeremiah 31:31-33 Behold the days come saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah. Hebrews 8:1-13 repeats the promise of a new covenant.
Exodus 16:4 God calls the law, My law.

Now for the $64,000 question. Another covenant cannot be questioned, but where is the mention of a second set of laws?? If no other law is given, we can only conclude that the first law, (Gods Law) governs both covenants, Right??

A second observation is the common accusation made when mentioning the law still being in force under the New Covenant is, "legalist", Sabbath keepers", "crafty Ishmaelites", ect. It is spoken of as a covenant that "gendereth unto bondage", a law of "sin and death", a "ministration of death". Some of these terms are found in the scriptures and people assume that they must refer to "Gods Law".
Concider this, if they are right then God placed the Jews under a law that was a yoke of bondage, a law of sin and death, a law that genereth unto bondage, then promised to scatter them among the other nations, and cause them to become thier servants, and become guilty of sin, resulting in death, and affliction if they failed to keep that law.Deut 28 God would have put them in a terrible, no win, no excape situation. It meant bondage and destruction any way they went. There was no difference in serving God and not serving God.
What is the logic behind a law genderingunto bondage when obedience unto it prohibits idolatry, taking Gods name in vain, dishonoring of parents, killing, adultry, stealing, lying, coveting, ect.?
David, Ps 119:45 and James 2:12, both call it a law of liberty, How then is it a yoke of bondage?

Hebrews 13:20-21 Now the God of Peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus that great shepard of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant. Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight through Jesus Christ. Note the term, everlasting covenant.
The eternal purpose of God is attained in the individual when Gods law is established in his heart.
II Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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Hebrews 13:20-21 Now the God of Peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus that great shepard of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant. Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight through Jesus Christ. Note the term, everlasting covenant.

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Heb.8
[1] Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[2] A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[3] For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[4] For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
[5] Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
[6] But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
[7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
[13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

How, any better can it be said. Read and think on these things!

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[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

One Question Who is of the house of Judah And house Israel Here ?
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[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

One Question Who is of the house of Judah And house Israel Here ?
the house of Israesl = 144,000
house of judah = all the ones living forever on earth under the rule of God's kingdom.

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[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

One Question Who is of the house of Judah And house Israel Here ?
the house of Israesl = 144,000
house of judah = all the ones living forever on earth under the rule of God's kingdom.

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Heb.8
[1] Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[2] A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[3] For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[4] For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
[5] Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
[6] But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
[7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
[13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

How, any better can it be said. Read and think on these things!

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Ezequiel Ha Nave (The Prophet) Speaking of the New Covenant said;
EZE 36:25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.[/align]So if Godmade A New Covenant without the Law Keeping according to Paul and the gentile Church, then it is not the New Covenant God Promised, then it is a New Covenant of A Libertine life, IMO[/align]
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Jeremiah 31:31-33 Behold the days come saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah. Hebrews 8:1-13 repeats the promise of a new covenant.
Exodus 16:4 God calls the law, My law.

Now for the $64,000 question. Another covenant cannot be questioned, but where is the mention of a second set of laws?? If no other law is given, we can only conclude that the first law, (Gods Law) governs both covenants, Right??

A second observation is the common accusation made when mentioning the law still being in force under the New Covenant is, "legalist", Sabbath keepers", "crafty Ishmaelites", ect. It is spoken of as a covenant that "gendereth unto bondage", a law of "sin and death", a "ministration of death". Some of these terms are found in the scriptures and people assume that they must refer to "Gods Law".
Concider this, if they are right then God placed the Jews under a law that was a yoke of bondage, a law of sin and death, a law that genereth unto bondage, then promised to scatter them among the other nations, and cause them to become thier servants, and become guilty of sin, resulting in death, and affliction if they failed to keep that law.Deut 28 God would have put them in a terrible, no win, no excape situation. It meant bondage and destruction any way they went. There was no difference in serving God and not serving God.
What is the logic behind a law genderingunto bondage when obedience unto it prohibits idolatry, taking Gods name in vain, dishonoring of parents, killing, adultry, stealing, lying, coveting, ect.?
David, Ps 119:45 and James 2:12, both call it a law of liberty, How then is it a yoke of bondage?

Hebrews 13:20-21 Now the God of Peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus that great shepard of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant. Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight through Jesus Christ. Note the term, everlasting covenant.
The eternal purpose of God is attained in the individual when Gods law is established in his heart.
II Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
I have been thinking about this post.

The Law is Christ's Law, founded upon better promise's. That first one had problems. It was for the Jews only. It could not forgive sins. The Jews were not in Bondage. The Gospel went to them first. They choose not to believe it. Some did, most still have a Vail over their face, thats sad." you have heard said by them of Old thou Shall not Kill" But I say into you whosoever is Angry has already killed his Brother. If that is not replacing a Law I don't know what is?

wE NEED TO HAVE fAITH AND NOT LOOK BACK TO THE oLD lAY!

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The Law is Christ's Law, founded upon better promise's. That first one had problems. It was for the Jews only. It could not forgive sins. The Jews were not in Bondage. The Gospel went to them first. They choose not to believe it. Some did, most still have a Vail over their face,

The New "Covenant" is built upon better promises, this is true. But can we use the words, "Law", and "covenant" interchangeably? The definations of the two are much different. Does the term "New Covenant" require a different set of laws to govern the subjects of the covenant? The "Old Covenant" was said to be an everlasting covenant. Can we replace anything that is "everlasting"?
Could it be that now under the New Covenant, for the first time man can fulfill the Spirit of the Old Covenant, through the fulfillment of Christ's sacrifice and hisindwelling Spirit? Without him, ye can do nothing. We can now do all things through Christ who strengtheneth us. I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me. Christ our Passover, our morning and evening sacrifice, scapegoat, dove, sin offering, peace offering, firstfruits, ect. We are complete in him, the fulness of the body, the true Tabernacle. We are not of this world, our citizenship is in heaven. We are only pilgrims and strangers, sojourning in a strange land.
The Old with its types and shadows was a working model of the true which was to come, and that was Christ, who is in us, the hope of glory. That the righteousness of the law MIGHT BE fulfilled in us.
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