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Old 04-07-2008, 11:36 AM   #1
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Would anyone care to give their take on these prophecy? I'm at work right now but will contribute more later.

Dan 7:4
The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
Dan 7:5
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and [it had] three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Dan 7:6
After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
Dan 7:7
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the

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Old 04-07-2008, 02:32 PM   #2
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Old 04-07-2008, 03:25 PM   #3
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Well, some say that the Lion represents Great Britain and that the eagles wings that were plucked off represents the United States as coming out of Great Britain and becoming a country seperate. The eagle standing on it's feet as a man and given a human heart is a vision of Uncle Sam ??? (does'nt seem to fit). Of course the bear is to represent Russia.
The leopard, they said was Germany and the four heads represents the three Reichs and the soon to come fourth Reich.

Does this sound anywhere near plausible?
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Old 04-07-2008, 03:49 PM   #4
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IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS ...
The Prophecy of Daniel Explained in Preterist Perspective

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by Jay Rogers

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[ul][*]In The Days of These Kings (complete text)
[*]The Prophecy of Daniel: Overview[*]The Five Visions of Daniel (Dan. 2, 7, 8, 9, 10-12)[*]Daniel 2[*]Daniel 7[*]Daniel 8[*]Daniel 9[*]Daniel 10[*]Daniel 11[*]Daniel 12
[*]Commentary on Daniel - Volume 1 - by John Calvin (1509-1564)[*]Commentary on Daniel - Volume 2 - by John Calvin (1509-1564)
[*]Notes on Daniel[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 1 -- Historicism or Preterism?[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 2 -- Why A Preterist View is Needed[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 3 -- Calvin's View of Daniel Was Preterist[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 4 -- Who are the kings of Daniel 7?[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 5 -- Calvin's Commentary on Daniel[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 6 -- Are they one figure or many?[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 7 -- Who is the Little Horn?[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 8 -- What is the Fourth Kingdom?[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 9 -- Who is the Man of Sin?[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 10 -- Comparing Daniel and Revelation[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 11 -- Calvin on the "little horn" of Daniel 7[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 12 -- The Beasts and the Horns are fluid symbols[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 13 -- Exegesis[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 14 -- Historical Context[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 15 -- Hermeneutics[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 16 -- Most of Daniel is History[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 17 -- The 70 Weeks of Daniel 9[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 18 -- Definition of "Preterist"[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 19 -- Calvin on Daniel 8[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 20 -- Interpreting the 70 Sevens[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 21 -- What parts of Daniel occur after AD 70?[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 22 -- When did the kingdom of God come?[*]Notes on Daniel -- Part 23 -- The "Dual Fulfillment" Theory of Prophecy
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:42 PM   #5
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Would anyone care to give their take on these prophecy? I'm at work right now but will contribute more later.

Dan 7:4
The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
Dan 7:5
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and [it had] three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Dan 7:6
After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
Dan 7:7
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8
I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the

Vs. 4 -- The first beastis thought by many to bethe Babylonian kingdom. "A man's heart" was given to it refers to Nebuchadnezzar.

Vs. 5 -- The second beast represented the Mede-Persian Empire. Like a bear. It was larger than Babylon but not as dignified as a lion. "It raised itself up on one side"couldbe referringto the fact that Persia was stronger than Media. The three ribswould than bethe three kingdoms it conquered, Babylon, Egypt, and Lydia. "Arise, devour much flesh" refers to the fact that Xerxes, their king, took two and one-half million men in an army for conquest.

Vs. 6 -- The third beast represented the Greek Empire -- The four wings of a fowl refers to the swiftness with which the Grecian armies under Alexander the Great conquered the world. The four heads of the beast refer to the four divisions made in the Grecian Empire under the control of Alexander's four generals after his death.

Vs. 7 -- The fourth beast would than bethe Roman Empire which was dreadful and terrible. It devoured nations, broke them up, and established its own rule.

Vs. 8 -- The 10 horns are thanthe ten nations that will rule the world in the end timesand correspondswith the ten toes of the image of Chapter two. The little horn is believed to be the Anti-Christ. He will be a political and military leader. He will uproot or destroy three of the horns (nations) and then rule over the remaining kingdoms.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:48 PM   #6
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dabow; We don't get to agree on everything, but here I agree. The four parts of the image of chapter two are portrayed in chapter seven as four wild beasts.
The ten horns being ten kingdoms that arise from the ruins of the Roman Empire between 356-476 AD.
But what of the little horn that came up? It came up after the ten were established. It subdued three of the ten horns, (the three that contained the strong hold of the hated "Oneness" doctrine, Heruli, Moesia, and Pannonia). It spoke great things against the Most High. It wore out the saints of the Most High. It was to think to change times and laws. It was to hold sway for a length of time called, time, times, and half a time.
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In his dream in chapter seven Daniel saw four great beasts come up out of the sea and they were all different.
In verse four the first beast was like a lion only it had wings and it was given a mans heart which says it was a personel being..It ot only represented Babylon but the leader of the nation.. go read Chapter 2;36-40..
In verse five it ws like a bear. It spoke of the Medo-Persian empire which follwed the defeat of Babylon by Darius the Mede in arounr 539 BC. chap. 5:30-31
In vere six the third empire , greece is shown as a leopard..
I verses seven and eight, the fourth beast had ten horns..It stands for Rome.. the ten horns match upp with the ten toes on Nebuchadnezzar's image..then an eleventh beast appearedand destroyed three of the other horns..this eleventh horn stands for the anti-christ..Rev. 13:1-10..
there is a lot more to it than this but it is an overview of those verses..

of course that is my humble opinion..
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Thanks fellows, I hear what your all saying. I get stumped every time I try to get into the prophetic verses. I like to have an opinion beyond a shadow of doubt and I believe this is what impedes me when I study Revelation as far as that goes.
Some of the commentaries agree but many disagree. I've listened to several preach on the end times and there again there is no agreement for instance, as to when the saints will be raptured.
I can get into most any Bible study and search it out and come to an understanding except prophecy.

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Thanks fellows, I hear what your all saying. I get stumped every time I try to get into the prophetic verses. I like to have an opinion beyond a shadow of doubt and I believe this is what impedes me when I study Revelation as far as that goes.
Some of the commentaries agree but many disagree. I've listened to several preach on the end times and there again there is no agreement for instance, as to when the saints will be raptured.
I can get into most any Bible study and search it out and come to an understanding except prophecy.

Same here. Of course there is some prophecy, like in Genesis that is easy to wrap your head around but any thing more than that and I am lost and could not say for certain. But I do agree with the rest the theory you heard just doesn't seem plausible, it doesn't feel right.
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Prophecy is a definate area of much speculation. It isn't my strong suit be any means. It is a great study with much to be learned by all. However prophecy can become a trap as it has a way of captivating one until he loses sight of the rest of the scriptures. There must be a balance in all things.
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