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Old 03-03-2008, 09:56 AM   #1
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The Bible says that all are born of sin and one has to accept Jesus as their savior to enter Heaven, so if my 2-year old neice was to die today, does that mean that she would be condemned to Hell?

What about those who cannont comprehend "God" (i.e. the mentally challenged)?


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Old 03-03-2008, 10:00 AM   #2
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How can one be responsible for not comprehending? What kind of a cruel God would we then serve?
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So then these people get a free ride to Heaven?

If that's the case, then I would have much rather died as an infant and been guranteed a spot in Heaven for eternity, than have to live till I was able to comprehend and face temptation everyday. Seems like they get off pretty easy, considering the whole scheme of things, right?
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I tried to search this topic, but the search tool on this forum isn't all that good.

The Bible says that all are born of sin and one has to accept Jesus as their savior to enter Heaven, so if my 2-year old neice was to die today, does that mean that she would be condemned to Hell?

What about those who cannont comprehend "God" (i.e. the mentally challenged)?
Worried about yourself, for the children are guaranteed heaven; "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto Me: for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven."
(Matthew 19:14)

"Unless you become as a child you will not see God", from the mouth Of Christ, children are guaranteed heaven, inheriting sin is not a biblical doctrine, at least not in Judaism, it is a catholic doctrine, it shouldn't be a protestant either.
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Old 03-03-2008, 10:37 AM   #5
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So then these people get a free ride to Heaven?

If that's the case, then I would have much rather died as an infant and been guranteed a spot in Heaven for eternity, than have to live till I was able to comprehend and face temptation everyday. Seems like they get off pretty easy, considering the whole scheme of things, right?
Are you really serious? If that's your logic, what about never being born at all?
God gives us free will to accept Him or reject Him. It's not hard, it's not like a game show that the winners to on, and the losers get left behind. It's a free gift,we canall win.Take it or leave it, it's completely your choice.
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So then these people get a free ride to Heaven?

If that's the case, then I would have much rather died as an infant and been guranteed a spot in Heaven for eternity, than have to live till I was able to comprehend and face temptation everyday. Seems like they get off pretty easy, considering the whole scheme of things, right?
Are you really serious? If that's your logic, what about never being born at all?
God gives us free will to accept Him or reject Him. It's not hard, it's not like a game show that the winners to on, and the losers get left behind. It's a free gift,we canall win.Take it or leave it, it's completelyyour choice.
But, in regards to infants, it's not completely their choice.

And, yes, I am serious. Life here on Earth is finite, life after death is supposebly infinite. If I died today and if their is a Hell, then I would go to Hell for eternity, but if I had died when I was 2, and if there is a Heaven, then I would have went to Heaven for an eternity. What's 21 years compared to an eternity. Nothing.

Do you see my point?
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Old 03-03-2008, 12:42 PM   #7
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To my knowledge there are no scriptures that address this issue..There are no scriptures that address age of accountability that I'm aware of.

Personally I beleive handicapped folks and children are saved..GOd loves thm "For such is the Kingdom of heaven.
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Infants are the children of wrath the same as others, but God can and does effect regeneration in the hearts of all who die in infancy. The God of the Bible,cannot know a problem; for He "worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" (Eph. 1:11). So, He can and does communicate to His elect and dying infants all that is needful for their heavenly entrance.
From the womb to the tomb, God has never had but one way of saving His people, and that is by the atoning blood of Christ (Heb. 9:22). The Arminian system teaches no person goes to heaven unless the person by his own freewill and volition chooses Jesus to be his personal Savior, and then with the same stroke of the pen teach that infants do not have sufficient discernment to correctly distinguish between good and evil and cannot prefer the better over the inferior. So, it unavoidably follows according to their own theology, all infants who die in infancy; owning to the utter impotence of their will and intellect are eternally damned.
However,Seeing they were faced withsuch adilemma their genius was set in motion, andthey came up with the religious invention of infant innocence and age of accountability.
This invention did not in the least free them from their own self entrapment, but only served to aggravate and compound theirdilemma, for if infants are innocent and unaccountable unto God, as the Arminian theory contends, then it may be irrefutably concluded that Christ did not die for them, for where there is no sin; there is no need of atonement.
Furthermore, the infant innocence theory is seento be a glaring denial of the Divine inspiration of the scriptures, for it is plainly a disavowal of the Scriptural doctrine of hereditary depravity of mankind, and relieves an infinite number of Adam"™s raceof their responsibility to the holy, just and sin avenging God.
David, speaking of infants said:"They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies" (Ps. 58:3). That is, as soon as they are born, they painfully manifest what they were in the womb, and that was a sinner by nature. Thank God for His sovereign grace, and for all who teach it. God"™s grace is never less than absolutely sovereign.It is the sovereign grace of God that reaches the dying infant with quickening power, and translates its blood washed soul to its Christ merited place before God.

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So then these people get a free ride to Heaven?

If that's the case, then I would have much rather died as an infant and been guranteed a spot in Heaven for eternity, than have to live till I was able to comprehend and face temptation everyday. Seems like they get off pretty easy, considering the whole scheme of things, right?
I understand your logic, but I must say that were it my perference, I would rather keep things just as they are.... I must account for my own sin, and I may indeed fall short of Gods expectations, BUT ....by the same token, If I were to die as a young child or infant, I would never have had the chance to experience Our Lord, and I would not have had the opportunity to know His unending Love, nor would I have the chance to praise Him and to Glorify His Name. I would not know the wonderful Happiness Ifeel inside , while I testify to others and share the message of Gods love with the lost.

No, I would trade the assurance for the opportunity to serve, even as imperfectly as I may serve Our Lord , anyday Just so I could personally Know and Love Him.

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Old 03-03-2008, 06:03 PM   #10
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First, I must say I can't beleive all the gifted teachers amongst us..I mean it..Some of you such as Dabowhinter are actually better speakers than most of the professors I had in college..and I respected them alot..most are missoinaires now.

Infants are the children of wrath the same as others, afraid your right brother..but God can and does effect regeneration in the hearts of all who die in infancy. The God of the Bible,cannot know a problem; for He "worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" (Eph. 1:11). So, He can and does communicate to His elect and dying infants all that is needful for their heavenly entrance. We need to start a thread regarding "The elect" when the air clears completely..
From the womb to the tomb, God has never had but one way of saving His people, yes sir and that is by the atoning blood of Christ (Heb. 9:22). yeppThe Arminian system teaches no person goes to heaven unless the person by his own freewill and volition chooses Jesus to be his personal Savior, are you not of the Calvin persusation Don..??and then with the same stroke of the pen teach that infants do not have sufficient discernment to correctly distinguish between good and evil and cannot prefer the better over the inferior. So, it unavoidably follows according to their own theology, all infants who die in infancy; owning to the utter impotence of their will and intellect are eternally damned. ok[:-]
However,Seeing they were faced withsuch adilemma their genius was set in motion, andthey came up with the religious invention of infant innocence and age of accountability. right which I never beleivedfor one second.
For the Word says"Proverbs 20:11Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work be pure, and whether it be right.
This invention did not in the least free them from their own self entrapment, but only served to aggravate and compound theirdilemma, for if infants are innocent and unaccountable unto God, as the Arminian theory contends, then it may be irrefutably concluded that Christ did not die for them, for where there is no sin; there is no need of atonement.

STOP right here!!..Don is this a copy and paste.?.I may be giving you more credit than deserved.LOL The wording does not sound like an old red neck bowhunter to me..[8D]

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