I'm not religious myself, however I am curious on what the overall answer of people who follow ways of Religion
I was watching war movie the other day, plus watching news of 911 of people jumping to deaths rather then be burned (or killed in collapse). In the war movie I was watching, it was called Flyboys. It was WWI and there was scene where one of veterans gave one of the new recruites a handgun. He basically said there are three ways of dying (he use example if the plane was on fire) of taking the hard ways, which is burning to death as your plane crashes, jump from your plane or take the easy way out and kill yourself.
So in short, would it still be considered sin to kill yourself if you knew you were going to die in horrible painful way?
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I'm not religious myself, however I am curious on what the overall answer of people who follow ways of Religion
I was watching war movie the other day, plus watching news of 911 of people jumping to deaths rather then be burned (or killed in collapse). In the war movie I was watching, it was called Flyboys. It was WWI and there was scene where one of veterans gave one of the new recruites a handgun. He basically said there are three ways of dying (he use example if the plane was on fire) of taking the hard ways, which is burning to death as your plane crashes, jump from your plane or take the easy way out and kill yourself.
So in short, would it still be considered sin to kill yourself if you knew you were going to die in horrible painful way?
There are thousands of living 75%Burnt Patients in the US. If only people knewthe pain they went through while burning and then the months of treatment at a burn Center. TheBurn Center would be enough for me to consider taking my life, but it would make me feel like a Coward to do so. If it's the Lord'swill for me to expire, so be it!
Thinking back to the Nam war the numbers and numbers of vets who endured torture and never gave in to the enemy so their buddies could go on living. Gosh, I wonder what was going through their mine?
Many and many people who take their lives is because they have lost all Hope and Faith. No sane person wants to die no matter what the circumstances. If you don't endure to the end you'll never know if you had a living chance!
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My 2 cents; I believe Judaism is the Base for Christianity so my opinion is based on that premise.
Judaism regards suicide as a criminal act. Someone who commits suicide is considered a murderer. It matters not whether he kills someone else or himself. His soul is not his to extinguish.
Judaism's opposition to suicide is found in the story of Noah's Ark. After the flood, God says to Noah: Your blood which belongs to your souls I will demand; from the hand of every beast will I demand it. From the hand of every man; from the hand of every man who is his brother will I demand the life of man.(Genesis 9:5)
The Talmud (Baba Kama 90b) learns from the first part of the verse, "And surely the blood of your lives I will demand," that one may not wound his own body. All the more so, he may not take his own life.
There is also a deep spiritual consequence to suicide.
When a person commits suicide, the soul has nowhere to go. It cannot return to the body, because the body is destroyed. And it is not let in to any of the soul worlds, because its time has not come. This state of limbo is very painful. A person may commit suicide because he wants to escape, but in reality he is getting a far worse situation.
In this world, if we try hard enough sometimes we can solve the problem. But after death there are no solutions, only consequences.
When a Jew commits suicide, he is not permitted a full Jewish burial, and there is even a debate whether shiva (the seven-day mourning period) is observed or whether the kaddish prayer is said.
In practice today, however, suicide is usually treated as a normal death, since it is assumed that the person was not of a normal state of mind. But we still see the gravity by which Judaism views suicide.
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When a person commits suicide, the soul has nowhere to go. It cannot return to the body, because the body is destroyed. And it is not let in to any of the soul worlds, because its time has not come. This state of limbo is very painful. A person may commit suicide because he wants to escape, but in reality he is getting a far worse situation.
....uh yeah i dont know about that one. the soul has no where to go? i don't find that anywhere in Scripture.
The way I see it is that God is merciful. If you find yourself in a moment of weakness and take your own life i can't imagine that you're automatically damned to hell or your soul is wondering. The Bible isn't very clear on suicide however if it were some situation where you had to kill yourself to save the lives of others i believe that is the right thing to do.
so is it a sin to kill yourself to avoid a painful death? maybe, i dont know :P
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I wouldn't view jumping out the window to avoid burning as choosing suicide. In that example I'd say you're choosing between staying in the building for a certain and horrible deathand jumping to what is a nearly but not absolutely certain death. Look at the fellow who recently fell 45 stories (over 500 ft), landed on concrete and survied for what will apparently be a full recovery. There was a soldier in WWII that bailed out of a burning plane, without a parachute,at 40,000 ft. and survived. In any case this is notlike a case where someone knows they are dying of a terminal disease and chooses to shoot themselves in the head to avoid a slow and painfull death. To me this is a very differentand a much more succint example of the dilema RedHawk presents. My answerwould be that I'm glad God will be doing the judging and it really doesn't matter what men think while my opinion would be that I don't think a mercifull God would condem the person for taking his own life if in such a situation.
If I were jumping from a building, such as in the 911 case, in my mind if I was faced with smoke/fire that was definitely going to kill me, I would at least want to take a chance that anything would give me a better opportunity to live. To purposefully jump with the premeditation of killing myself wouldn't work, as we're not to murder / kill. God said, "Thou shalt not kill." I'd hate to risk the consequences of my action.
I think one will be judged based on one's whole life, not on the last act you commit. "You shall not murder" is only one of the commandments.
The fact that your last act is a sin is only one of the many sins we would have committed in life. (Of course we statue worshippers have Purgatory to work it off.)
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I heard Jesus He drank wine and I bet we'd get along just fine.
I believe, that when someone commits suicide, they go to hell, but before Jesus died on the cross, everyone went to Abraham's Bosom, the place where people stayed before they could go into the judgement, because Samuel said to Saul when Saul visited the witch of Endor, "Tommorrow, you will be with me." (Forgive the slight paraphrase.)
Abraham's Bosom, that place, had a big gulf between it, and Hell, but now, since Jesus opened the way to the Father, we go straight to the judgement, and life is sacred, one who commits suicide, doesn't do so in self-defense, they do it, in a final act of prematurely leaving what God has planned for them, and that is to disobey, and disobediance is a sin, and when sin is the very last thing you do, without time for repentance, without time to ask God for forgiveness, which was a right Christ gave us through his death,you enter the judgement guilty, and pay for your sin, in the fires of Hell.
Suicide vs. Fate
