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Old 12-05-2007, 07:14 AM   #1
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OK, last week we discussed how rocks are made and the differences between rocks and minerals.

This week we are learning about fossils. All fossils are found and formed in the sedimentary rocks...The rocks that have been here the longest are under much pressure...the metamorphic rocks..Question?? Why are there no fossils in the metamorphic rock..?
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:23 AM   #2
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OK, last week we discussed how rocks are made and the differences between rocks and minerals.

This week we are learning about fossils. All fossils are found and formed in the sedimentary rocks...The rocks that have been here the longest are under much pressure...the metamorphic rocks..Question?? Why are there no fossils in the metamorphic rock..?

[align=center]Metamorphic rocks are rocks that have "morphed" into another kind of rock. These rocks were once igneous or sedimentary rocks. How do sedimentary and igneous rocks change? The rocks are under tons and tons of pressure, which fosters heat build up, and this causes them to change. If you exam metamorphic rock samples closely, you'll discover how flattened some of the grains in the rock are. [/align][align=center][/align][align=center][/align][align=center][/align]
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:27 AM   #3
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Exactly...

Limestone is the sedimentary rock ..itmorphs into marble..I wonder why there are no fossils in marble??

Shale is the sedimentary rock ..lots of fossils in shale...when it morphs it turnsto slate...there are no fossils in slate...I just wonder why??
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Exactly...

Limestone is the sedimentary rock ..itmorphs into marble..I wonder why there are no fossils in marble??

Shale is the sedimentary rock ..lots of fossils in shale...when it morphs it turnsto slate...there are no fossils in slate...I just wonder why??
http://www.oum.ox.ac.uk/thezone/fossils/history/met-ig.htm
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:45 AM   #5
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"Sorry - no fossils here! Igneous rocks form from molten rock, and rarely have fossils in them. Metamorphic rocks have been put under great pressure, heated, squashed or stretched, and fossils do not usually survive these extreme conditions. Generally it is only sedimentary rocks that contain fossils." Reb...

Nice site Reb..Then I recond our sedimentary layers are very old. ...seeing that they contain trilobite fossils that are "Billions of years old."
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Chuck, I do not believe anyone would claim that trilobite fossils are billions of years old. The oldest trilobite fossils appear in Cambrian rocks about 500 million years old and they disappear from the fossil record at the end of the Permian about 250 million years ago. Trilobites were not alone, it is estimated that about 90% of all species of plants and animals on Earth were wiped out by the great Permian extinction event.While some ideas have been put forth, there is still no generally accepted theory as to what caused this global calamity that was even greater than the extinction event that ended the age of dinosaurs 65 million years ago.

Some fossil organisms over one billion yearsold have been found but they are rare sincelife from that time were very small andhad not yet developed shells or bones which fossilize more readily thansoft tissue.

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Old 12-05-2007, 12:42 PM   #7
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Being a chemist, I know some about sience and one thing forsure is the following:

A theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists "theory" and "fact" do not necessarily stand in opposition.

Remember - a theory can change with new information whereas a fact is always true no matter what.

Scientific Theory = sometimes facts and sometimes changing
God's Word = always true and always fact!!!!!!!!

One may look at creation and say, "Wow, amazing how this just happened," where I look at creation and say, "WOW.........WHAT AN AWESOME CREATOR WE HAVE WHO CREATED ALL THIS DETAILED WORLD."
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:52 PM   #8
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One of the problems that atheist scientist do is often say a theory is fact. I see this all the time on the discovery channel where they say something like, "It is believed that this dinosaur ate these plants or ran like this." Then later one in the program they say, "Because we know this dinosaur ate these plants or ran like this....etc, etc."

This leads others to believe something is fact when the truth is it is a working theory that is constantly changing and sometimes is later proven wrong.

HOWEVER, GOD'S WORLD IS NEVER CHANGING AND IS NEVER WRONG.
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However, God's word makes no mention of dinosaurs and despite what Kent Hovind and Ken Ham would have you believe, no human has ever seen a live dinosaur. Therefore, if we are interested in what dinosaurs ate and how they ran we are forced to construct a theory based upon the evidence that is available to us such as fossil remains, petrified tracks and inferences from the physiology and anatomy of modern animals that we can observe. I do not think that scientists and the Discovery Channel are claiming what they portray as unquestionable facts. It is a fact that dinosaurs ate something and were capable of locomotion. I think what the scientists are saying is that based on the best evidence currentlyavailable to us, this is what we think they ate and how they ran. It is always possible, as with any scientific theory, that new evidence could come to light that would require a modification or even abandonment of current theoriesregarding howdinosaurs lived.

This is why scientific theories, which are always subject to change based on the latest evidence, and religious beliefs, which are unchanging andbased on the immutable teachings of sacred writings, do not mix.

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However, God's word makes no mention of dinosaurs and despite what Kent Hovind and Ken Ham would have you believe, no human has ever seen a live dinosaur. Therefore, if we are interested in what dinosaurs ate and how they ran we are forced to construct a theory based upon the evidence that is available to us such as fossil remains, petrified tracks and inferences from the physiology and anatomy of modern animals that we can observe. I do not think that scientists and the Discovery Channel are claiming what they portray as unquestionable facts. It is a fact that dinosaurs ate something and were capable of locomotion. I think what the scientists are saying is that based on the best evidence currentlyavailable to us, this is what we think they ate and how they ran. It is always possible, as with any scientific theory, that new evidence could come to light that would require a modification or even abandonment of current theoriesregarding howdinosaurs lived.

This is why scientific theories, which are always subject to change based on the latest evidence, and religious beliefs, which are unchanging andbased on the immutable teachings of sacred writings, do not mix.

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If You Believe that the Creation of The six day period was the first Creation God made on this earth ,then you will have trouble associating the bible and the fossil records.
Jewish Sages have always said this earth has being made and destroyed at least 5 or 6times before, a recent program on the Science Channel shows scientist finding evidence of these 5 or 6cataclysms and new life appearing as well as some surviving such events, according to the Jewish sages this is the last and Final creation that of Man being in thelast creation, the earth will be destroyed one more time and the man who would be inhabiting the earth on the last creation will be a totally different man, one who is eternal and will live with his Creator, and that teaching is pretty much in line with even new testament teachings of a new heaven and new earth.
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