Luke 7:37-50
And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, [38] And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment. [39] Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner. [40] And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. [41] There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. [42] And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? [43] Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged. [44] And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. [45] Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. [46] My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment. [47] Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. [48] And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. [49] And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? [50] And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Luke 19:1-10 And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho. [2] And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich. [3] And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature. [4] And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way. [5] And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house. [6] And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully. [7] And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner. [8] And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold. [9] And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. [10] For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
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What wonderful gospel stories!
Saved on the spot.
Straight from the lips of Jesus.
No rituals mentioned, suggested, or administered.
Nothing required for the salvation of these two except faith!
No argument from me, concerning the facts stated in those scriptures. However, they don't compare to us. Christ hadn't yet died for their sins. What washes away our sins? Christ's blood. Christ did have the power to forgive sins while on earth, but again--that's no comparison.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
No argument from me, concerning the facts stated in those scriptures. However, they don't compare to us. Christ hadn't yet died for their sins. Was anyone saved before Christ's blood was shed?
Chad
And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
Apparently she was. Christ said so.
Zacchaeus must have been saved too...if Jesus was telling the truth. This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. [10] For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
I edited my post after I read it (before you posted) after I realized I stated my thoughts incorrectly.
'Course if Christ appears to you in the flesh and tells you that you are saved, I won't argue about it. Otherwise, I'll stick to what the Bible says.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
And I said I believe them--I believe them 100%. The point being is Christ isn't with us in the flesh anymore, and those scenarios will never be replicated for us. We cannot be saved as those two were.
What washes away our sins?
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner
No question, she WAS a sinner
Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
The bible says she is NOW saved! What happened in her life?
She knew about Jesus and knew where he was eating. Something in her sinful heart told her to do something. She TOOK an alabaster box, (is this a work? faith? grace?). Stood at his feet weeping, (repentance?) Washed his feet w/tears, (an act on her part?) Wiped his feet, (an act performed), kissed his feet, (another act), anointed his feet, (still another act that she did). Jesus said after all that she physically had performed, that she was then saved. At what point, after which act, was it that she was saved? Didn't she believe before she even came to Jesus. No one can come except the Spirit of the Father draw him. He that cometh to God must first beleive that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
This day is salvation come to this house,
Are there not 24 hours in a day? No question, somewhere during that time span Zacchaeus was saved.
Note, he sought to see Jesus, (faith? grace? works?) Sounds like something Zacchaeus did on his own. He ran, (something he did), He climbed, (again he did something) to see Jesus. Would he have seen Jesus if he had done nothing? Had he not already heard of Jesus? Faith comes by hearing, wouldn't faith alone have saved him? He came down, He RECEIVED Jesus. He repents and promises to repay and make amends for his wrong doings. All things done by Zacchaeus, only after doing all these things did Jesus say, Today is salvation come unto thy house. Did it come in the AM, At noon, evening? At what exact time was Zacchaeus saved?
Saved on the spot.
We have seen that there were several spots along the way from being called a sinner and being told they were saved. Tell us at what spot this happened?
Nothing required for the salvation of these two except faith!
Saved without grace??? Come on Joe. Is one saved without the Spirit? He gives the Holy Ghost to them that obey him. I think Chuck qouted that just a couple of days ago.
If both of these were saved at the beginning of the story, why was the woman called a sinner? She had the same faith after doing the things recorded. Why did the scripture wait until after she show some works to declare her salvation?
Same with Zacchaeus, called a publican before he did the things that he did, afterward Jesus said that salvation had come to his house. Why did Jesus wait until the end to make that statement?
IMO You have proven my point with your examples.
Yep, saved right there on the spot.
The grace (unmerited, unearned favor) of God was certainly there....for none of us deserves salvation on the basis of any work.
Our righteousness is just a filthy rag (even Snooky's).
No rituals (baptisms) and no works were necessary for any of it.
God just saved them because they believed.
Isn't that wonderful?
The simple gospel, uncluttered with legalism, truly is good news!
Joe, would you care to answer my question? What is it that washes away our sins?
Also, what is the Gospel? I know it's the "Good News", but go into a little more detail than that please.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Saved on the Spot
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