Question about curses

Chuck7 · 08-02-2007, 11:23 AM

We are now in 2nd Samuel. David royally messes up with Bathsheba..We all know the story. God is goingto punish David for it really grieved God what David had done..Remember God had said David..if you wanted more wives you should of ask me??Think about that one...Actually my wife said that to me..Let's stop right here and make sure that is in the Word.??

ok ..I grabbed Aaron's modern version Bible ..It actually says this..2 Sam. 12: 8 This is Nathan the prophet speaking.." I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms.I gave you the house of Israel and Judah .And if this had been too little , I would have given you even more."

ok good enough..but that is not my question..just a little something to thnk about..

Question coming up...After David sexually sinned....his family began having real serious sex problems..

Amnon rapes his sister Tamor..these are both David's children

Absolom kills Amnon..David is grieved over this murder..Absolom had killed Amnon for the raping.

Absolom's men rape David's 10 concubines. ..in public

God's punsihmnet..verse 11. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to the one who is close to you , and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight.

Question...Do children suffer for their parents sins? I once heard it can go down to the 3rd generation.

All comments are welcome.

TexasOaks · 08-02-2007, 11:57 AM

I would have to answer yes. I don"™t have the scripture right in front of me or can I quote it from memory, but I know God says that generations will punished for your sins. But, I do think the children can change their circumstances of punishment received because of past generations, if they are true to God.

Chuck7 · 08-02-2007, 12:26 PM

Yes sir..I'm reminded how God had made up his mind to sorely punish Israel.Then, a man touched God's heart by wiping off the dust from some scrolls and leading the people to destroy their idols...and for being deeply sorry for his forefathers sins.For this action..God said Josiah would not see God's wrath in his time..I beleive his time was 40 years of peace.

remedy ....repent.

Beehunter · 08-02-2007, 02:35 PM

I have heard it preached that way before Chuck.

mudhead1s wife · 08-02-2007, 03:23 PM

I think that there is a difference between punishment and consequences. When we sin we have a natural reaction or consequence happen. Punishment is meted out directly to the offender. The parent suffers the punishment and their children the consequence. At the same time I cannot find where it is right now but the scripture says that Jesus said a child is not mute or lame because his parents have sinned, which is why I don't feel that God will directly punish my child for something he/she had no control over. When I find the verse I am looking for I'll post it.

Californiadoctor · 08-02-2007, 06:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Chuck7

Question coming up...After David sexually sinned....his family began having real serious sex problems..

Amnon rapes his sister Tamor..these are both David's children

Absolom kills Amnon..David is grieved over this murder..Absolom had killed Amnon for the raping.

Absolom's men rape David's 10 concubines. ..in public

God's punsihmnet..verse 11. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to the one who is close to you , and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight.

Question...Do children suffer for their parents sins? I once heard it can go down to the 3rd generation.

All comments are welcome.

This is why I do not let my children read the Bible, way too much sex and violence. In addition, in doling out punishment, God's behavior seems to be just as appaling as that of the humans involved in this sordid incident.

Caldoc

Chuck7 · 08-02-2007, 07:22 PM

The parent suffers the punishment and their children the consequence. At the same time I cannot find where it is right now but the scripture says that Jesus said a child is not mute or lame because his parents have sinned, which is why I don't feel that God will directly punish my child for something he/she had no control over. When I find the verse I am looking for I'll post it.
mrs. Mudhead's wife..

Thanks for replying

The scripture you are referring to is in John chapter 9 regardig the blind young man sent to the ool to be healed. it must have been a normal way of thinking for th edisciples to say such a thing.."Who did sin"" In this case no on edid..the blindness was to glorify God. i have seen a baby that was born from a mother who did LSD while she was pregant. The child had a 1/2 a face. i beleive sin resulted in that child's birth.

My original question was ..If out parents were alcoholics would we also naturally struggle with that.?

leafriverlizzie · 08-02-2007, 07:26 PM

One of those rare moments when I actually have time to post something.....

Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exo 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Num 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

Deu 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

I do believe that there is a generational curse. I think that is why a lot of times when parents are abusive, their children tend to grow up and do the same thing. This could possibly be why there were times when the Lord sent Israel to war with a command to destroy everyone and everything. Many children grow up imitating their parents. I also believe though that the cycle can be broken when a person gives themselves over to Christ and follows the leading of the Holy Spirit.

I think that the scripture mudhead's wife was referring to was the following:
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Somehow I never understood that scripture to cover everything, just that particular person that Christ healed at that particular time. Of course I could be wrong.

Just my two cents worth!

Chuck7 · 08-02-2007, 07:55 PM

Thanks Liz,
I really don;t know my Old Testament as good as I should .I appreciate you taking the time to look them up and post them..

One of those rare moments when I actually have time to post something.....

Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Exo 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Num 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

Deu 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

WOW He says that quite a few times..
I do believe that there is a generational curse. I think that is why a lot of times when parents are abusive, their children tend to grow up and do the same thing... I agree..My dad was pretty bad,,He never raised me.My mom divorced him early.I met him when I was 22. I couldn't believe it.We had all the same struggles and hang ups.

This could possibly be why there were times when the Lord sent Israel to war with a command to destroy everyone and everything.I agree, Many children grow up imitating their parents. I also believe though that the cycle can be broken when a person gives themselves over to Christ and follows the leading of the Holy Spirit. amen key word "Folllows the leading of the Holy Spirit." Big nugget there,,thanks

I think that the scripture mudhead's wife was referring to was the following:
Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Somehow I never understood that scripture to cover everything, just that particular person that Christ healed at that particular time. Of course I could be wrong. I agree there as well.

Just my two cents worth!

I appreciate the reply..

The Rev · 08-02-2007, 08:17 PM

Liz nailed the verses. I preach about that quite often, but we do have the power to break those curses in the name of Jesus. I believe this is what is happening to our country right now. Since the seventy's, our generations have progressed into serious Sodom and Gomorrah type sexuality . Each generation getting worse. It's like each generation is compounding curse after curse on our children.
I teach people that Jesus is the one that can break that curse. Get the whole family together and cast that curse away like casting out a demon. I know it works, I've seen it in my own family.