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Old 07-25-2007, 09:17 AM   #1
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Subject: Fw: Fw: Can a Good Muslim be a Good American
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>>> This is as succinct as it gets.
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>>> Can a good muslim be a good American?
>>>
>>> Interesting questions for the Muslim Community to discuss.
>>>
>>> For research on our part also.
>>>
>>> . Can a good Muslim be a good American?
>>>
>>> I forwarded that question to a friend who worked
>>> in Saudi Arabia for 20 years
>>>
>>>
>>> The following is his forwarded reply:
>>>
>>>
>>> Theologically - no.
>>>
>>> . Because his allegiance is to Allah, the
>>> moon God of Arabia.
>>>
>>> Religiously - no.
>>>
>>> . Because no other religion is accepted by his
>>> Allah except Islam (Qu ran, 2:256)
>>>
>>> Scripturally - no.
>>>
>>> . Because his allegiance is to the five
>>> pillars of Islam and the Qu ran (Koran).
>>>
>>> Geographically - no.
>>>
>>> . Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which
>>> he turns in prayer five times a day.
>>>
>>> Socially - no.
>>>
>>> . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him
>>> to make friends with Christians or Jews.
>>>
>>> Politically - no.
>>>
>>> . Because he must submit to
>>> the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of
>>> Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
>>>
>>> Domestically - no.
>>>
>>> . Because he is instructed to marry four women
>>> and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him
>>>
>>> (Quran 4:34 ).
>>>
>>> Intellectually - no.
>>>
>>> . Because he cannot accept the American
>>> Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he
>>> believes the Bible to be corrupt.
>>>
>>> Philosophically - no.
>>>
>>> . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do
>>> not allow freedom of religion and expression.
>>>
>>> Democracy and Islam cannot
>>> co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
>>>
>>> Spiritually - no.
>>>
>>> . Because when we declare "one nation under
>>> God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is
>>> NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love
>>> in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
>>>
>>> - - - Therefore after much study and
>>> deliberation.... perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL
>>> MUSLIMS in this country.
>>>
>>> - - - They obviously cannot be both "good"
>>> Muslims and good Americans.
>>>
>>> * * * Call it what you wish..it's still the truth.
>>>
>>> * * * You had better believe it.
>>>
>>> If you find yourself intellectually in
>>> agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this
>>> with your friends.
>>>
>>> + + + The more who understand this, the better it
>>> will be for our country and our future.
>>>
>>> # # # : Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious
>>> war is bigger than we know or understand.
>>>
>>> . . And Barack Hussein Obama, a Muslim, wants to
>>> be our president
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Old 07-25-2007, 10:16 AM   #2
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I believe that God is going to allow some one like him or Hillary to become president as punishment for turning our backs on Him. Can you imagine the wrath that is going to come down on this cournty for being a country that was grounded and rooted by Christianity then consider Christian values private and not be discussed openly.
Histroy always repeats itself. We all know of how God annointed David to be king, but God allowed Saul to become king as punishement.
When a Muslium puts on an American uniform and sheds blood for this country, then he can become an American.
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Old 07-25-2007, 10:49 AM   #3
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We worry about the illegal Mexicans, but allow 1000's of legal Koran carrying American haters to enter the country everyday.

THE WORM IS CRAWLING INTO THE APPLE
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Old 07-25-2007, 10:54 AM   #4
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I think that there is something like 25 million muslims living in the U.S. if you consider communities like Dearborn, Michigan there are many families that have been living in the U.S. for over 50 years and have been more productive and law-abiding citizens than some folks on this site. So, i'd say the answer is yes.
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Old 07-25-2007, 10:58 AM   #5
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CAN A GOOD EVANGELICAL BE A GOOD AMERICAN?

I forwarded that question to a friend that worked as a janitor at an Evangelical church for 20 years.

The following is his forwarded reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to a God who personally supports such un-American values as torture, rigged elections, staggering deficits, and tax cuts for the rich.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his God except Evangelical Christianity (The Bible tells him so.) [Pardon the misplaced period].

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the four pillars of the New Testament (Christian Bible), which he puts before the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Evangelical Heaven, to which no one but a bona fide, tithing, toe-the-line Evangelical Christian can gain admittance.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Church forbids him to make friends with Muslims and Jews, who attend Mosques and Synagogues.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the Great Satan (Mad King George), who preaches the Annihilation of Muslims and Destruction of Islam - not to mention the shredding of "That Worthless Piece of Paper, the Constitution" - as the true path to a monopoly on Middle East oil, and global hegemony.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry one women at a time, and treat her like an obedient servant ("You will be eager for your husband and he will rule over you"--Genesis 3:16, and "Wives be subservient to your husbands"--Ephesians 5:22.) [Pardon the misplaced period].

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Secular Humanist principles and he believes Secular Humanism, like science and the United Nations, to be corrupt. And, because he has a hard time thinking for himself.

Philosophically - no. Because according to Evangelical beliefs, Christianity, Jesus, and the Bible do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Evangelical Christianity cannot co-exist. Every Evangelical government on Earth is either dictatorial or autocratic, or, in the case of America, both. [Come to think of it, America has the ONLY Evangelical government on Earth.]

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Evangelical"™s God excludes homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals, cross-dressers, pro-choice liberals, anti-war activists, environmentalists, atheists, agnostics, and millions upon millions of other Americans, most of whom believe "Christian soldier" to be an oxymoron.

Therefore after much [choke] study and [gasp] deliberation....perhaps we should be extremely suspicious of ALL EVANGELICALS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Evangelicals and good Americans. Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.

You had better believe it.

If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
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Old 07-25-2007, 11:03 AM   #6
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Careful someone might judge you.

CAN A GOOD EVANGELICAL BE A GOOD AMERICAN?

I forwarded that question to a friend that worked as a janitor at an Evangelical church for 20 years.

The following is his forwarded reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to a God who personally supports such un-American values as torture, rigged elections, staggering deficits, and tax cuts for the rich.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his God except Evangelical Christianity (The Bible tells him so.) [Pardon the misplaced period].

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, the four pillars of the New Testament (Christian Bible), which he puts before the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Evangelical Heaven, to which no one but a bona fide, tithing, toe-the-line Evangelical Christian can gain admittance.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Church forbids him to make friends with Muslims and Jews, who attend Mosques and Synagogues.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the Great Satan (Mad King George), who preaches the Annihilation of Muslims and Destruction of Islam - not to mention the shredding of "That Worthless Piece of Paper, the Constitution" - as the true path to a monopoly on Middle East oil, and global hegemony.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry one women at a time, and treat her like an obedient servant ("You will be eager for your husband and he will rule over you"--Genesis 3:16, and "Wives be subservient to your husbands"--Ephesians 5:22.) [Pardon the misplaced period].

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Secular Humanist principles and he believes Secular Humanism, like science and the United Nations, to be corrupt. And, because he has a hard time thinking for himself.

Philosophically - no. Because according to Evangelical beliefs, Christianity, Jesus, and the Bible do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Evangelical Christianity cannot co-exist. Every Evangelical government on Earth is either dictatorial or autocratic, or, in the case of America, both. [Come to think of it, America has the ONLY Evangelical government on Earth.]

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Evangelical"™s God excludes homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals, cross-dressers, pro-choice liberals, anti-war activists, environmentalists, atheists, agnostics, and millions upon millions of other Americans, most of whom believe "Christian soldier" to be an oxymoron.

Therefore after much [choke] study and [gasp] deliberation....perhaps we should be extremely suspicious of ALL EVANGELICALS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Evangelicals and good Americans. Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.

You had better believe it.

If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

Pass it on Fellow Americans. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
My answer is still the same.
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I think that there is something like 25 million muslims living in the U.S. if you consider communities like Dearborn, Michigan there are many families that have been living in the U.S. for over 50 years and have been more productive and law-abiding citizens than some folks on this site. So, i'd say the answer is yes.
X 2 with no doubt.

I remember talking to more than one Saudi Soldier just prior to Desert Storm regarding issues such as marriage. From what I was told, a man did not have to marry more than one wife, most did not want more than one wife and a man had to make enough $ or be financially able to support more than one wife and children in order to have.
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I believe that God is going to allow some one like him or Hillary to become president as punishment for turning our backs on Him.
I thought that's why he allowed George W. Bush to become president...as punishment.
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Old 07-25-2007, 03:25 PM   #9
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I believe that God is going to allow some one like him or Hillary to become president as punishment for turning our backs on Him.
I thought that's why he allowed George W. Bush to become president...as punishment.
Hahaha that is very funny. You think it's bad now, you really need to study some Bible prophecy. Read Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelations. Do it quit, never know if they get into office it may become against the law.
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Old 07-25-2007, 04:20 PM   #10
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Charlie P,

You made a good point sir. We are supposed to be pilgrims just passing through. We are not of this world..therefore Jesus said that the world hates us. In the end..the anti christ and his followers will try to destroy all the Christians in the world.

Rev. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them:
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