Pope: Other denominations not true churches

Red Lion · 07-10-2007, 09:33 AM

Pope: Other denominations not true churches
Benedict issues statement asserting that Jesus established "˜only one church"™

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.
Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church.
On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass. Traditional Catholics cheered the move, but more liberal ones called it a step back from Vatican II.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19692094/

BigTiny · 07-10-2007, 04:05 PM

That's OK, the protestants were doing fine before Vatican II.

The Rev · 07-10-2007, 08:24 PM

What a surprise!

Venator1 · 07-11-2007, 06:30 AM

This guy is just stirring as far as I can see. My guess that most denominations on this board would say similar things from their perspective if asked. I wont copy and paste everything but as far as I can see it is the same as always. The headline is misleading ,however you can make up your own mind of course.

http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it...4889&eng=y

Fifth Question: Why do the texts of the Council and those of the Magisterium since the Council not use the title of "Church" with regard to those Christian Communities born out of the Reformation of the sixteenth century?

Response: According to Catholic doctrine, these Communities do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of Orders, and are, therefore, deprived of a constitutive element of the Church. These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery (19) cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called "Churches" in the proper sense (20).

The Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI, at the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, ratified and confirmed these Responses, adopted in the Plenary Session of the Congregation, and ordered their publication.

Rome, from the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, June 29, 2007, the Solemnity of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul.

William Cardinal Levada
Prefect

Angelo Amato, S.D.B., Titular Archbishop of Sila
Secretary

In response to this question the document recognises that "œthe wound is still more profound in those ecclesial communities which have not preserved the apostolic succession or the valid celebration of the eucharist".[13] For this reason they are "œnot Churches in the proper sense of the word"[14] but rather, as is attested in conciliar and postconciliar teaching, they are "œecclesial Communities".[15]

Despite the fact that this teaching has created no little distress in the communities concerned and even amongst some Catholics, it is nevertheless difficult to see how the title of "œChurch" could possibly be attributed to them, given that they do not accept the theological notion of the Church in the Catholic sense and that they lack elements considered essential to the Catholic Church.

In saying this, however, it must be remembered that these said ecclesial Communities, by virtue of the diverse elements of sanctification and truth really present in them, undoubtedly possess as such an ecclesial character and consequently a salvific significance.

........apostolic succession, I really doubt you (protestants) would want to be included in Catholic church. I My hat is off to him ,the Pope, at least he said it like it is . Would you rather he be a political correct liar?

PikeTipper · 07-11-2007, 04:46 PM

Jesus response to apostolic succession

Mark 9 38:40

38"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
39"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40for whoever is not against us is for us. 41I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.

CalHunter · 07-12-2007, 12:14 AM

Ditto what PikeTipper said.

Venator1 · 07-12-2007, 05:41 AM

Thanks boys you made my day. Somebody does get it. I' will go about my daily chores refreshed.

....Thanks for the edits, but sometimes exposure dosn't hurt anybody at all.

H.L. Menkin???? I can't figure that one or can I?

MichaelT. · 07-12-2007, 07:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: PikeTipper

Jesus response to apostolic succession

Mark 9 38:40

38"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
39"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40for whoever is not against us is for us. 41I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward.

I was talking to my wife last night about this, and had the same feeling / reaction and answer..... also adding, Jesus sent the Deciples out to start Churches, and to teach, and lead others to (Himself )Jesus Christ. They were told to carry His message to the four corners of the earth. They were to found Churches as they went.

So if they were to found Churches, for Jesus, of Jesus, and teach about Jesus..... How can the Catholics think they alone have a lock on the whole True Christian Church thing...? And besides, I am not a denomination.... I am a Christian.....

So my question is, why would a " True " man of faith try to intentionally devide the followers of Jesus Christ?

And this is the Second time the Pope has put this message out.... so he is trying to get a point across .... in a major way. He is deviding Jesus' Church. IMHO.

Venator1 · 07-12-2007, 08:16 AM

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He is deviding Jesus' Church.

You know what schisms are correct. He, the Pope, is talking to the Catholic Church and anyone who is confused onthe Church's position..You have heard of the Reformation correct. I know why it happened, but I hate that it happened. Try reading Augustine on Schisms.

manuman · 07-13-2007, 03:38 PM

I have said it before and I will say it again, there are believers within the context of the Catholic Church just as there are within any other denomination. The problem with this whole thing is that the Pope does not and is not the infallible spokesperson for Christ on this earth. The whole premise is based on an erroneous interpretation of Christ's assertion that 'upon this rockI will build my Church' pertained to Peter himself , when it clearly, even using proper sentence structure , referred to Peter's profession that Christ is the Son of God,which no man had revealed to him, and which was revealed by the Father. This statement is the rock on which the Church is being built, not some succession of Pope's---he that believes that Christ is the Son of God--which no one can truly profess outside of the Father's revelation. I stake my faith in Him, and I am invited to come boldly to the throne of grace through Christ's finished work of grace, and my confession is to Him and my profession is of Him. Sorry, no offfense intended, but I cannot be other than honest about this.