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Old 07-07-2007, 03:48 PM   #1
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The true children of God are those who let God's Spirit lead them
-Romans 8:14

We talk about the Father and study the Son, but when it comes to the Holy Spirit, we are confused at best and frightened at worst. Confused because we've never been taught. Frighten because we've been taught to be afraid.

May I simplify things a bit? The Holy Spirit is the presence of God in our lives, carrying on the work of Jesus. The Holy Spirit helps us in three directions: inwardly (by granting us the fruits of the Spirit, Gal. 5:22-24), upwardly (by praying for us, Rom. 8:26), and outwardly (by pouring God's love into our hearts, Rom. 5:5).

In evangelism the Holy Spirit is on center stage. If the disciple teaches, it is because the Spirit teaches the disciple (Luke 12:12). If the listener is convicted, it is because the Spirit has penetrated (John 16:10). If the listener is converted, it is by the transforming power of the Spirit (Rom. 8:11). If the new believer matures, it is because the Spirit make him or her competent (2 Cor. 3:6).

You have the same Spirit working in you that Philip did (Acts 8, the road that leads to Gaza from Jerusalem). Some of you don't believe me. You're still cautious. I can hear you mumbling under your breath as you read, Phillip had something I don't. I've never heard an angel's voice. To which I counter, "How do you know Philip did?"

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You've heard the voice whispering your name, haven't you? You've felt the nudge to go and sensed the urge to speak. Hasn't it occurred to you?

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Living a Great Miracle"Being Led by God's Spirit
by Jim Franks

God commands that, in the late spring of every year, a special day be observed (Leviticus 23:15-21). It is commonly called Pentecost, from the Greek pentekoste. The Jews refer to it in various ways. One is as Shavuot, meaning "Weeks," because the date of its observance is determined by counting a specific number from an earlier religious observance.

Another name given it is Hag Hakatzir, the Festival of the Harvest, for it marks the harvesting of the wheat, the last grain harvest of the spring harvest season. And, in that context, it is also called Yom HaBikkurim, the Day of the Firstfruits. There is much significance to this festival, which is vitally important for Christians.

When celebrating this festival we know as Pentecost, the descendants of the ancient Israelites are reminded of one of the greatest events in their history"the giving of the Law at Mount Sinai. In his book To Be a Jew, Rabbi Hayim Halevy Donin writes: "Shavuot commemorates the awesome event experienced by the children of Israel seven weeks after the exodus from Egypt when they camped at the foot of Mt. Sinai somewhere in the Sinai Peninsula. This event was the Revelation, when God's will was revealed to Israel. It marked the declaration of the Ten Commandments ... While the exact manner of this communication between God and man is not known and was always subject to various opinions by the great thinkers and Sages of Israel, it was an event of awesome proportions and a unique spiritual experience that indelibly stamped the Israelites with their unique character, their faith, and their destiny."

The events leading up to this time"the Exodus of the Israelites from slavery, the death of Egypt's firstborn, the crossing of the Red Sea, the giving of manna from heaven and the giving of the law"were miracles that had a tremendous impact on the history both of Israel and much of the world. As Christians, we sometimes forget that another great miracle has taken place in all our lives. It is one of the greatest miracles of all time, the coming of God's Holy Spirit.
Celebrating another great miracle

The Feast of Pentecost is a celebration of that event, a reminder to each of us that God works in us through His Spirit. For humans to be changed and led by God's Spirit is one of the greatest miracles of all.

When we study the Day of Pentecost in the Bible, we find the beginnings of this great miracle. In Acts 1:8, we read Christ's instructions to His disciples: "But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth" (New American Standard Bible).

This promise from Christ was dramatically fulfilled within a few days of His statement. This occurred on the Day of Pentecost, as recorded in Acts 2. Peter concluded his sermon on that day with these words: "Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children, and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God shall call to Himself" (verses 38, 39, NASB).
After the physical manifestations that are described in the first verses of Acts 2, we find the Holy Spirit descending on a large group of people. Their lives were changed dramatically. They were led by God's Holy Spirit from that time forward.

The book of Acts is replete with the stories of these people's lives and the impact they had on the society of that day. The change was so evident that they were accused of having "turned the world upside down" (Acts 17:6). Such was the dramatic, dynamic power of the Holy Spirit.
Being led by the Holy Spirit

When we make reference to someone who is led by the Holy Spirit, as these people were, we must make sure we understand what is being said. This is discussed in detail by the apostle Paul in Romans 8:1-28, where he shows how the Holy Spirit works in the life of a Christian. In verse 14, Paul states: "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Here we see that a Christian is defined as one who is led by the Spirit of God.

We find this same thought in verse 9. Here Paul dogmatically states that if you don't have the Spirit dwelling in you then you do "not belong" to God (NASB).
The implication is that it is through God's Spirit and "Christ in us" (Colossians 1:27) that we actually accomplish what we do as Christians, rather than through our own efforts. The glory and credit must go to God.

However, it isn't enough to simply be led by God's Spirit. We must allow God, through His Spirit, to rule over our lives. The Holy Spirit must be allowed to become the energizing force in our lives to produce the qualities of true Christianity. We must ask ourselves if we are truly being led by God's Spirit and if we are allowing it to serve as the guiding force in our lives.
Understanding the Holy Spirit

To grasp how God's Spirit works in our lives, we must understand what God's Spirit is. The Holy Spirit is not an individual person, along with God the Father and Jesus Christ, forming a "Holy Trinity." There simply is not biblical evidence for the Holy Spirit to be thought of as a separate person, apart from the Father and the Son. (See the article "Just What Is the Holy Spirit?") In Scripture, the Holy Spirit is described as the power of God at work in our lives. This divine power of God emanates from the Father, allowing us to be "led by the Spirit of God" (Romans 8:14).

What does God's Holy Spirit do for us as Christians? This question affects the very core of our religious beliefs, because without the power of God's Spirit in our lives we would have no relationship with the Father. It is because this Spirit is dwelling within us that we are the children of God (Romans 8:14-17).
It is important that we understand what it means to be "led by the Spirit." God's Spirit doesn't drive, drag or push us around; it leads us. It will not prevent us from sinning, nor will it force us to do what is right. It leads us, and we must be willing to follow.
God's Spirit at work

Exactly how does God's Spirit lead us? Let's consider a few ways.

The Holy Spirit keeps us in contact with God's mind. God's Spirit works with our mind. The apostle John describes it this way: "Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit [which] He has given us" (1 John 3:24). Through the Holy Spirit, which is given to us, we can be influenced by God for the good. This is in contrast to the situation in the world around us and our own human nature.

The Holy Spirit provides a deeper understanding of God's Word and His will for humanity. As 1 Corinthians 2:9-11 tells us: "But as it is written, 'Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him.' But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God" (emphasis added throughout).

Without that Spirit, a person cannot understand God's divinely expressed Word and will, "for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (verse 14).
God's help in overcoming

The Holy Spirit makes overcoming possible. There is nothing too difficult for us with the power of God working in our lives. Romans 8:26 tells us that God's Spirit helps us in our weaknesses. Paul, the writer of the letter to the Romans, speaking for all of us said, "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" (Philippians 4:13).

Jesus Christ promises Christians, "With God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26; Mark 10:27). The Christian life is to be one of overcoming. We must not believe that God wants us to remain just as we are whenever we are called. Instead, we must "not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind" (Romans 12:2). Christianity is a lifetime of overcoming and growing.

The Holy Spirit convicts our conscience and helps us see sin as it really is. Speaking of the Holy Spirit, which would be given to His followers after His death, Jesus Christ said it would "convict the world of sin ..." (John 16:8). God's Spirit within us, working with our conscience, helps us to recognize and avoid sin. The guilt that we feel is real, prompted by recognition of sins.




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The Holy Spirit is God Himself ,not Just a force.
So when we say The Holy spirit leads us, we are saying God himself is my guide.
The Holy Spirit is not a distinct Person from the Father.
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The Holy Spirit is God Himself ,not Just a force. True...Colosians says "God in you the hpoe of glory." I agree Alex.
So when we say The Holy spirit leads us, we are saying God himself is my guide. This is true as well/
The Holy Spirit is not a distinct Person from the Father.

This part I'm not clear on ...
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The Holy Spirit is God Himself ,not Just a force.
So when we say The Holy spirit leads us, we are saying God himself is my guide.
The Holy Spirit is not a distinct Person from the Father.
No argument here . . . The Holy Spirit is simply God. God is Holy (Leviticus 11:44; 1 Peter 1:16). In fact, He alone is holy in Himself. God is also a Spirit (John 4:24), and there is only one Spirit of God (1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:4). Therefore, "Holy Spirit" is another term for the one God.

That the Holy Ghost is God is evident from a comparison of Acts 5:3 with 5:4 and from a comparison of 1 Corinthians 3:16 with 6:19. These passages identify the Holy Ghost with God Himself.
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The Holy Spirit is God Himself ,not Just a force. True...Colosians says "God in you the hpoe of glory." I agree Alex.
So when we say The Holy spirit leads us, we are saying God himself is my guide. This is true as well/
The Holy Spirit is not a distinct Person from the Father.

This part I'm not clear on ...
Take this verse Chuck;

[blockquote]Woman, believe me, the hour comes, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, will you worship the Father. You worship that which you don"t know. We worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to be his worshippers. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.[/blockquote]
John 4:21-24 (WEB).
Thus, Jesus answer to the question in what place God should be worshipped was not a physical place at all (1). Rather, it was a spiritual place or condition - in spirit and in truth. Further, the reason God seeks to be worshipped not in a physical temple but in spirit is that God is spirit. This defines God's substance

So If The FAther is the Spirit and the Father is Holy , who is the Holy Spirit, But God himself, there is no distinction between the Holy Spirit and the Holy father who is The Spirit.
Trinity is a churchianity Doctrine, no reason to have 3 in one but yet the same.
God is God no matter what function he is performing at any moment.
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Take this verse Chuck;



[blockquote]Woman, believe me, the hour comes, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, will you worship the Father. You worship that which you don"t know. We worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to be his worshippers. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.[/blockquote]

John 4:21-24 (WEB).
Thus, Jesus answer to the question in what place God should be worshipped was not a physical place at all (1). Rather, it was a spiritual place or condition - in spirit and in truth. Further, the reason God seeks to be worshipped not in a physical temple but in spirit is that God is spirit. This defines God's substance

So If The FAther is the Spirit and the Father is Holy , who is the Holy Spirit, But God himself, there is no distinction between the Holy Spirit and the Holy father who is The Spirit.
Trinity is a churchianity Doctrine, no reason to have 3 in one but yet the same.
God is God no matter what function he is performing at any moment.

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I understand this Alex...and I also understand the importance of "One God" to a Jew. This is written in stone in the Old Testament law.. There are many verses that support what you are saying. There are also many that seem to show a distinction between the 3 .I'll list one.
Matt.12: 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Alex...this verse seems to make a difference between Jesus and the Holy Ghost. If they were one in the same there would be no difference if you blasphemed Jesus or the Holy Ghost. ..but there is a huge difference.One can be forgiven and one can't. There are many many more such verses. On the other hand there are many verses to emply of the complete oneness of the Godhead...I love the John 4 chapter verse that you quoted..To worship God in Spirit and in truth is an awesome thing.

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Take this verse Chuck;




[blockquote]Woman, believe me, the hour comes, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, will you worship the Father. You worship that which you don"t know. We worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to be his worshippers. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.[/blockquote]


John 4:21-24 (WEB).
Thus, Jesus answer to the question in what place God should be worshipped was not a physical place at all (1). Rather, it was a spiritual place or condition - in spirit and in truth. Further, the reason God seeks to be worshipped not in a physical temple but in spirit is that God is spirit. This defines God's substance

So If The FAther is the Spirit and the Father is Holy , who is the Holy Spirit, But God himself, there is no distinction between the Holy Spirit and the Holy father who is The Spirit.
Trinity is a churchianity Doctrine, no reason to have 3 in one but yet the same.
God is God no matter what function he is performing at any moment.

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I understand this Alex...and I also understand the importance of "One God" to a Jew. This is written in stone in the Old Testament law.. There are many verses that support what you are saying. There are also many that seem to show a distinction between the 3 .I'll list one.
Matt.12: 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Alex...this verse seems to make a difference between Jesus and the Holy Ghost. If they were one in the same there would be no difference if you blasphemed Jesus or the Holy Ghost. ..but there is a huge difference.One can be forgiven and one can't. There are many many more such verses. On the other hand there are many verses to emply of the complete oneness of the Godhead...I love the John 4 chapter verse that you quoted..To worship God in Spirit and in truth is an awesome thing.

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Matt.12: 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man

That verse is very Clear that is speaking of the human Yeshua, so anyone who speaks against the human side will not be hold accountable, but anyone who speaks of the Spirit in Him will be accountable, such as when The Pharasees accused Yeshua's work as of the Devil, it was the work of his Spirit to which they spoke against, since the miracles were done by God within his body.
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I appreciate that Alex..I don't think trinitarians for the most part worship 3 separate Gods. I think Saint Patrick illustrated this the best..and don't get a wall up because he was Catholic.saying that in love brother..

But..the shamrock ..shows one flower..just as the oneness see one God

The 3 petals of the shamrock are not separate they are all complete in one. Folks see trinitarians as worshiping 3 separate Gods..maybe some do..This one doesn't .Jesus said "Phillip if you have seen me you have seen the Father." If you hold up a single Shamrock ...you see all three .
Jesus said that all 3 live in us..Remember ..

Here's a Word from the Father..
16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


So there we have the promice of God indwelling us. in the latter part of Revelation 3 we have Jesus saying.."Behold I stand at the door and knock..if ANY MAN will open the door I will come in and dwell in him.

And we know the 1 Cor. verse.."know ye not your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost...so all 3 must be one or it would be mighty crowed.
I see them like the shamrock..3 in 1 they are never separated.
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I understand this Alex...and I also understand the importance of "One God" to a Jew. This is written in stone in the Old Testament law.. There are many verses that support what you are saying. There are also many that seem to show a distinction
Worshipping only one God should be important to every man. If God was one in the Old Testament, He's one in the New. Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; . . . I would'nt rule out what is written in stone for what "seems" to show.
Is there no truth in the Old Testament? Are all these verses lies?

"Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour" (Isaiah 43:10-11)

"I am the first , and I am the last; and beside me there is no God" (Isaiah 44:6)


"Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any" (Isaiah 44:8).


" I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself" (Isaiah 44:24)

"There is none beside me, I am the Lord, and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:6)

"There is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:21-22)

Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me" (Isaiah 46:9)

"I will not give my glory to another" (Isaiah 48:11; see also Isaiah 42:8)

"O Lord of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou has made heaven and earth." (Isaiah 37:16).


Again I ask, are these all lies or 100% truth? Was God being deceptive . . .trying to trick us? Sounds to me like the Father was making emphatic statements . . .was He mistaken? . . . .How can we edit what He said to clarify what He meant?


Or is it possible that God was shooting straight and that we seem to see three in the New Testament because we have been indoctrinated into trinity thinking?
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