I just wanted to put this out here and get your take on this subject.
In the political forum there was something said about 2 creation stories (actually they called it theories)
I will be using my NKJV
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then God said "Let there be light"; and there was light.
4 And God saw the light that it was good; and God divided the lightfrom the darkness.
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called night. So the evening and the morning were the first day
6 Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."
7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day
9 Then God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so.
10 God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering of waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruittree that yields fruitaccording to it's kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to it's kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to it's kind. And God saw that it was good.
13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;
15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so.
16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also
17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,
18and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens."
21 So God created the great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded according to their kind, and every winged bird according to it's kind. And God saw that it was good.
22 And He blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let the birds multiply on the earth."
23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to it's kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, eachaccording to it's kind"; and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth according to it's kind, cattle according to it's kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to it's kind. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
27 So God made man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
29 And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seedwhich is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.
30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so.
31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished.
2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done.
3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God created and made.
4 This is thehistory of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
5 before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain in the earth, and there was no man to till the ground;
6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breathe of life; and man became a living being.
8 The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.
9 And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. (Here we see the Garden just the Garden was made after Adam, other plantlife came before Adam)
The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
10 Now a river went out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it parted and became four riverheads.
11 The name of thefirst is Pishon; it is the one that skirts the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold.
12 And the gold of that land is good.Bdellium and the onyx stone are there.
13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one that goes around the whole land of Cush.
14 The name of the third river is Hiddekel; it is the one which goes toward the east of Assyria. The fourth river is the Euphrates.
15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it.
16 And the LordGod commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you amy freely eat;
17but of the of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat. for in the day thatyou eat of it you shall surely die."
18 And the Lord God said, "It is not goodthat manshould be alone; I will make him a helper comparible to him."
19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what He would call them. The animals and Adam were both made on the sixth day this just goes into further detail of how animals came about. And more importantly further into our history and the fact that we are Gods greatest creation. It also tells us how He formed the birds and the animals not when He formed them. Birds and fish were made on the fifth day but God brought them to Adam for the purpose of naming them.
And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was it's name.
20 So Adam gave names to all the cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparible to him.
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in it's place.
22 Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man He made into awoman, and He brought her to the man.
23 And Adam said:
"This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
Sheshall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man."
Eve was God's last creation on the sixth day.
My first instinct is to ask questions. How long did the spirit of God hover over the formless Earth? How fast did the Earth rotate (ie- How long was a day back then?), since we know the Earth's rotation has been slowing down slightly due to the Moon. Was it faster or slower back then? How did God create the solar system? Our Milky Way galaxy? The universe? Did he just will it into exsistance or was he a bit more subtle. The same with life on Earth, how did he do that? How long did he consider how a tree was supposed to work?
In all seriousness, I have a ton of questions. None of them have any relevance on whether or not Christ is my savior. The Earth could be younger than a million years and I would believe in an almighty God. Our planet could be billions of years old and I would beleive in God. I know God created the heavens and the Earth, I am just not real sure how. And to me, it doesnt matter. Simply put, God's grace is sufficient.
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My first instinct is to ask questions. How long did the spirit of God hover over the formless Earth? How fast did the Earth rotate (ie- How long was a day back then?), since we know the Earth's rotation has been slowing down slightly due to the Moon.
The length of a day is an interesting question but appears impossible to determine for the first three days of the creation week. Astronomers determine that a day has passed when the Sun returns to the same position in the sky that it occupied during the previous diurnal period. Less precise determinations can be made by observing when a star returns to the same position it was in during the previous nocturnal period. (The stars rise about four minutes earlier each night due to the revolution of the Earth around the Sun so are less precise in determining the passage of a day). As can be seen, the problem is that it is only possible to determine when a day has passed by observingcelestial bodies other than the Earth. However, if you read the whole creation sequence you find that there are no other celestial bodies until day 4 when the Sun, Moon and stars are created. Somehow, three days pass supposedly passwhen it is impossible to define what a dayis and how long it lasts.
"16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also"
If this line read...."the greater light, which is a star,to rule the day...... He made the other stars also" I would be impressed. It was not until the time of Galileo in the 17th century that there is any record of a human having the insight to realize thatthe Sun is a star. The fact that the authors of the bible did not seem to know the Sun was a star indicates that they did not possess any knowledge that other peoples of that time did not have. In fact,it is evident fromexamining the biblethatits authorsnot only did not know more than contemporary civilizations such as the Eqyptians, Assyrians and Babylonians but in terms of Mathematics and Astronomy knew considerably less.
My first instinct is to ask questions. How long did the spirit of God hover over the formless Earth? How fast did the Earth rotate (ie- How long was a day back then?), since we know the Earth's rotation has been slowing down slightly due to the Moon. Was it faster or slower back then? How did God create the solar system? Our Milky Way galaxy? The universe? Did he just will it into exsistance or was he a bit more subtle. The same with life on Earth, how did he do that? How long did he consider how a tree was supposed to work?
In all seriousness, I have a ton of questions. None of them have any relevance on whether or not Christ is my savior. The Earth could be younger than a million years and I would believe in an almighty God. Our planet could be billions of years old and I would beleive in God. I know God created the heavens and the Earth, I am just not real sure how. And to me, it doesnt matter. Simply put, God's grace is sufficient. Amen....the only thing I'm sure of is that the Bible is absolutely The Truth...If you follow the geneologies backward to Adam..you will see he was created about 4004 BC. It's to my understanding that he was the first man...Total years of man6, 011.years As far as creation day....I'm foolish enough to believe he did it in 6 literal days. We serve and awesome God. C7
How did the plant life and vegetation survive before the lights (sun) was made?
I've heard that perhaps Moses was revealed the creation story in increments of 7 days while he was on Sinai and that's why he they are referred to as days. "The 1st day it was revealed to Moses...etc, etc." Otherwise, people have a real problem determining how long a "day" was...especially in the first part of the week.
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"Error never shows itself in its naked reality in order not to be discovered. On the contrary, it dresses elegantly, so that the unwary may be led to believe that it is more truthful than truth itself."
-Irenaeus of Lyon
The length of a day is an interesting question but appears impossible to determine for the first three days of the creation week.* Astronomers determine that a day has passed when the Sun returns to the same position in the sky that it occupied during the previous diurnal period.* Less precise determinations can be made by observing when a star returns to the same position it was in during the previous nocturnal period. (The stars rise about four minutes earlier each night due to the revolution of the Earth around the Sun so are less precise in determining the passage of a day).* As can be seen, the problem is that it is only possible to determine when a day has passed by observing*celestial bodies other than the Earth.* However, if you read the whole creation sequence you find that there are no other celestial bodies until day 4 when the Sun, Moon and stars are created.* Somehow, three days pass supposedly pass*when it is impossible to define what a day*is and how long it lasts.
Caldoc**
Even harder to do would be to determine what God would consider to be a day. Since He existed before the creation of the universe, it would stand to reason that He would have His own concept of time in His timescale. There is no way I'll ever figure out the conversion chart on that.
I may not have been very specific but it was said to be that there were 2 different accounts in the bible of the creation and this was the issue. Defending that there is only one creation story in the bible and that it wasn't in the first story birds were made one day and in another day in the second story. I am not always the greatest in the area of defending that the bible is the absolute Living Word of God and that nothing need be added changed or taken away. There are no discrepencies found that would say this is not the Living Word of God.
My first instinct is to ask questions. How long did the spirit of God hover over the formless Earth? How fast did the Earth rotate (ie- How long was a day back then?), since we know the Earth's rotation has been slowing down slightly due to the Moon.
The length of a day is an interesting question but appears impossible to determine for the first three days of the creation week. Astronomers determine that a day has passed when the Sun returns to the same position in the sky that it occupied during the previous diurnal period. Less precise determinations can be made by observing when a star returns to the same position it was in during the previous nocturnal period. (The stars rise about four minutes earlier each night due to the revolution of the Earth around the Sun so are less precise in determining the passage of a day). As can be seen, the problem is that it is only possible to determine when a day has passed by observingcelestial bodies other than the Earth. However, if you read the whole creation sequence you find that there are no other celestial bodies until day 4 when the Sun, Moon and stars are created. Somehow, three days pass supposedly passwhen it is impossible to define what a dayis and how long it lasts.
Caldoc
I see your tactics have not changed. Insulting Moses' intellecuality is not going to sway anyone Caldoc. Moses' put in the bible what God told him to put in the bible. He was human so I don't expect Him to be as smart as God. For all we know God doesn't call the sun a star maybe he calls it something else. The fact is that Christ told us that we are not to know the mysteries of God, so I am not pretending to know what happened I am merely making a point that in the creation story there is not 2 stories but actually 1 story. The firstaccount is explaining what God made and when He made it. Then the second account goes abit further in detail because it is the historyof man.It does not say that God madeanimals onday six and then in the next He made them on day four. In both accounts animals were made on day six, the same day He made Adam and Eve. You see the problem Caldoc is that you are argueing FAITH bysaying that science is better or right or whatever, but in science you have to prove your beliefs, with faith I have the Bible right here for me to prove to me what I believe. You have your way and I have mine.I put my trust in God and in His Living Word, and you put your trust in science, and that's your right but I don't go around telling you that scientists are dumb and they don't know how to do math so please have a little more respect before you go bashing peoples intellegence.
My first instinct is to ask questions. How long did the spirit of God hover over the formless Earth? How fast did the Earth rotate (ie- How long was a day back then?), since we know the Earth's rotation has been slowing down slightly due to the Moon. Was it faster or slower back then? How did God create the solar system? Our Milky Way galaxy? The universe? Did he just will it into exsistance or was he a bit more subtle. The same with life on Earth, how did he do that? How long did he consider how a tree was supposed to work?
In all seriousness, I have a ton of questions. None of them have any relevance on whether or not Christ is my savior. The Earth could be younger than a million years and I would believe in an almighty God. Our planet could be billions of years old and I would beleive in God. I know God created the heavens and the Earth, I am just not real sure how. And to me, it doesnt matter. Simply put, God's grace is sufficient. Amen....the only thing I'm sure of is that the Bible is absolutely The Truth...If you follow the geneologies backward to Adam..you will see he was created about 4004 BC. It's to my understanding that he was the first man...Total years of man6, 011.years As far as creation day....I'm foolish enough to believe he did it in 6 literal days. We serve and awesome God. C7
I forgot to put in that yes I agree with you there are issues that are a matter of salvation and then there are some that are not. I allready put my reason for my post, but just wanted to add that. And yes we do serve an awesome God.
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