I have heard this over and over, and still not sure what Jesus Christ means when he tells this. What does this have to do with fasting? And what does it have to do with fasting after the bridegroom is taken from them. Luke gives me an idea with its extra verse.
Lets hear what ya all have to say about it.
Matthew 9
15Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast.
16"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. 17Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved."
Mark 2
21"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse. 22And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine into new wineskins."
Luke 5
36He told them this parable: "No one tears a patch from a new garment and sews it on an old one. If he does, he will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old. 37And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. 38No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins. 39And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, 'The old is better.' "
Matthew 9:15 refers to the fact that Christ was still with the disciples. Then, in Matthew 9:16-17 Christ goes on to explain that you can not combine the old with the new...in reference to the question posed to him in verse 14. In other words...Christ's way was different than the Pharisees' way.
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Isn't it amazing how all of the parables have multiple things to be learned from. I agree with Ought Six, the last verse in Mark is a lesson inside of a lesson.
Matthew 9
15Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast. simple ....The disciples {Whom we are } are expected to live a life of fasting. Fasting is not a law...it's simply living out Romans 12 :1.2 "presenting your bodies a living sacrifise daily so that you may know His will in your life." 16"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. 17Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved." The new wine is the Holy Spirit..Jesus is telling the Pharisees they must be born again to recieve this Spirit..The old way of the law can't recieve the Spirit..Much of Paul's fighting and contending was on this very subject.
Mark 2
21"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse. 22And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine into new wineskins." Same as above..." Must be at a placeto recieve the Holy SPirit..The disciples tarried in he Upper Room. WE are God's temple..we aqre called to offer up holy vessels unto Him.."God gives the Spirit to those who obey Him."
Luke 5
36He told them this parable: "No one tears a patch from a new garment and sews it on an old one. If he does, he will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old. 37And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. 38No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins. 39And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, 'The old is better.' " That new better way is God's Spirit...
Matthew 9
15Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom mourn while he is with them? The time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; then they will fast. simple ....The disciples {Whom we are } are expected to live a life of fasting. Fasting is not a law...it's simply living out Romans 12 :1.2 "presenting your bodies a living sacrifise daily so that you may know His will in your life." 16"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse. 17Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved." The new wine is the Holy Spirit..Jesus is telling the Pharisees they must be born again to recieve this Spirit..The old way of the law can't recieve the Spirit..Much of Paul's fighting and contending was on this very subject.
Mark 2
21"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse. 22And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine into new wineskins." Same as above..." Must be at a placeto recieve the Holy SPirit..The disciples tarried in he Upper Room. WE are God's temple..we aqre called to offer up holy vessels unto Him.."God gives the Spirit to those who obey Him."
Luke 5
36He told them this parable: "No one tears a patch from a new garment and sews it on an old one. If he does, he will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old. 37And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. 38No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins. 39And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, 'The old is better.' " That new better way is God's Spirit...
Thanks Chuck. But your last comment really doesn't jive to me with the verse that says "no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, 'The old is better". Why would Jesus Christ say "the old is better".
And really don't get this connection to the patch parable. I see macarthur also see's this way. I just don't get it.
This may be quite long, but I hope it answers your question. When Mark wrote his gospel he often used a powerful rhetorical device called "sandwiching." Sandwiching is when the writer begins telling a story, then in the middle switches to another story, and then finally finishes the first story. In other words, there's a story tucked into the middle of another. Now, when Mark does this, the middle piece is always a commentary on the original story, and that's what we have with this parable. To see this, we have to begin with verse 18 where we read: "Now John's disciples and the Pharisees were fasting; and people came and said to him, 'Why do John's disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not fast?' Jesus said to them, 'The wedding guests cannot fast while the bridegroom is with them, can they? As long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast. The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast on that day" (Mark 2.18-20). This story begins an account of the Pharisees complaining about Jesus. But then suddenly, we read the parable of the unshrunk cloth and wineskins and finally Mark continues the story of the Pharisees complaining, this time about working on the Sabbath day (verses 23-27). So, what does the parable mean? Well, to begin with we have to understand new patches and old wineskins. First, it is common knowledge among the garment industry that if you sew a new piece of denim that hasn't been preshrunk onto an old, worn pair of jeans, the first time you wash them the new patch will shrink and the jeans will be a mess. Likewise, in ancient days, before wine bottles were invented, wine was stored in wineskins made of animal hide or gut. If unfermented wine (new wine) was put into a wineskin that had been previously used, the fermentation process would burst the wineskin. So, when we compare the parable to the stories about the Pharisees that precede and follow it we can see that what Jesus means is that new ideas aren't compatible with old practices. In our modern vernacular (okay, maybe not so modern) we might say, "You can't teach old dogs new tricks." How this applied to the Pharisees, and indeed how it applies to us today, is that Jesus is saying that organized religious structures are reticent to change with the times and that it may be pointless to try and change them. A case in point. Most churches honor the long-time traditions of worship. This includes sitting on benches (pews), singing music written literally centuries ago, and even using language that is archaic (words like doxology, gloria patri, benediction, invocation and so on-all words unfamiliar to most people outside the church). However, when some pastor or group of people try to update worship so that it can be understood or appreciated by younger folks, or by those outside the church, most of the time an inner war breaks out within the congregation. In other words, like Jesus said, trying to put a new patch onto old jeans only makes the tear bigger. Recently, I've seen two commercials that speak to this. A chocolate company famous for its unchanged signature chocolate bar has an ad that says, "Change in bad." On the other hand, I've seen an lube/oil/filter company with an ad that says, "Change is good." The reality is change is neither bad nor good. Change is inevitable. But sometimes it's easier to start over than it is to effect a change. Which is why newly started churches often attract many, many people to their worship-because they haven't had to deal with change and the struggles that come from it. Instead, they chose to begin with a modern method of communicating the gospel.
Thanks Chuck. But your last comment really doesn't jive to me with the verse that says "no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for he says, 'The old is better". Why would Jesus Christ say "the old is better". Sorry partner..Tobe honest ..I was reading it fast because the 3 scriptures were pretty much saying the same thing..my bad.. He was talking about the Pharisees..the oldwine was their old law..they were special and had special privedges. They could boast in their good works of fasting twice a week..wearing phlacterys on their robes adn judging others...Teh old wine is the old law..Romans said it was good...Jesus was teh new wine..Heis that Spirit.." The Spirit of the Lord." And they wanted no parts with this new wine...
And really don't get this connection to the patch parable. I see macarthur also see's this way. I just don't get it.
Thanks chuck for replying. Hope fish are bitin. Hey keep the conversation going brother..we did study this one big in college.Perhap[s I'm not communicating good enough..Keep[ it coming..very good topic.
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Awww but the unregenerated natural man prefers the old things . .they are better to him. It takes the renewing or the Holy Spirit to change our tastes so that the thing's of Christ (new wine) tastes better.
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Awww but the unregenerated natural man prefers the old things . .they are better to him. It takes the renewing or the Holy Spirit to change our tastes so that the thing's of Christ (new wine) tastes better.
Oh, I love that new wine, and the hangover is soooooo sweet! You can partake of it anywhere, anytime, and folk wonder what's goingon withhim? ... (I'm drunk)...... I'm also a dead man, the world doesn't understand that either.
New Wine in new Wineskins?
we might say, "You can't teach old dogs new tricks."
