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Old 05-16-2007, 03:14 PM   #1
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I feel that the different denominations is one of the devils best works. He got us all with that one.

Christianity didn't start that way.


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Old 05-16-2007, 03:17 PM   #2
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Just believe in John 3:16! Forget what your church is called!
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Old 05-16-2007, 03:19 PM   #3
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I feel that the different denominations is one of the devils best works. He got us all with that one.

Christianity didn't start that way.
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Old 05-16-2007, 04:00 PM   #4
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Well, no doubt something, maybe many things, have been lost or twisted somewhere along the way because christianity sure did'nt start out with much more distinction than Jew and Gentile.
Each christian reads the Bible, prays, meditates, and comes to an understanding. The thing about it is tho that one believes that they can pray to Mary, another does'nt. One believes that the gifts spoken of in the book of Acts is still available today and another does'nt. Myself, I don't believe in a trinity but only one God that has manifested Himself to mankind in many ways . . . .while others believe in the trinity. Then we have folks that believe in tithing, and those that don't. We, as a body disagree about many aspects of baptism, tongues, healing, pre destination, the divorced christians role in the church, gays in the church and their limits within the workings of the church, and even to the point if it's "Jesus", or "Yeshua", or what day is purposed for the sabbath . . .or whether or not there is a sabbath. . . . .and on and on and on.
I believe that we all should be able to get together and fellowship, being gentlemen and ladies, sensitive to that which will maintain order. But I don't see where there can be order within a church congregation composed of the many varied "understandings" on a continuem.
For these reasons I have studied, meditated, fasted, and prayed, to the point that I have a concept of truth. I am glad that I can seek out a body of believers that hold the same beliefs.
When I am on vacation and want to stop of a sunday and attend a sevice, I know that if I see that it's a UPC, Apostolic Pentecostal,etc., then I'm among my own kind. If I don't see one and decide to stop at a Baptist or some other denomination then I know that their ways are not just exactly like my ways but I can know how not to offend.
It would be nice if we all had the same knowledge of truth, the same understanding . . .but we don't . . .so I appreciate denominations.
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Old 05-16-2007, 04:18 PM   #5
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Now that I consider . . .even while Jesus walked the earth in the flesh we see in Luk 9:49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
Luk 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
This is showing division . . .however Christ had the last say on that.

Then there is 1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
1Co 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
1Co 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

There were contentions, as indicated with these few Scriptures . . .plus as I have already mentioned there were some contentions between Jew and Gentile.
Contentions cause divisions. The thing about it is tho that we don't have a common unifying physical authority to keep our contentions from becoming division. So we have denominations for the sake of order and to cease with the contentions. I think . . .IMO . . .there is no problem with that until we place ourselves as judge over other believers that worship within the guidelines of Scripture.


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Old 05-16-2007, 06:34 PM   #6
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I feel that the different denominations is one of the devils best works. He got us all with that one.

Christianity didn't start that way.

I like to call them demon-nations.

When one is focused on the denomination and takes he eyes of Christ. Then the devil has done his job.
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:32 PM   #7
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THE IDEA OF DENOMINATIONS

[/align]The religious diversity of the American colonies"though largely within the Puritan tradition"called for a new understanding of the church. We may call it the denominational theory of the church. The use of the word denomination to describe a religious group came into vogue about 1740 during the early years of the Evangelical Revival led by John Wesley and George Whitefield. But the theory itself was hammered out a century before by a group of radical Puritan leaders in England and America.
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[/align]Denominationalism, as originally designed, is the opposite of sectarianism. A sect claims the authority of Christ for itself alone. It believes that it is the true body of Christ; all truth belongs to it and to no other religion. So by definition a sect is exclusive.
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[/align]The word denomination by contrast was an inclusive term. It implied that the Christian group called or denominated by a particular name was but one member of a larger group"the church"to which all denominations belong.
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[/align]The denominational theory of the church, then, insists that the true church cannot be identified with any single ecclesiastical structure. No denomination claims to represent the whole church of Christ. Each simply constitutes a different form"in worship and organization"of the larger life of the church.
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[/align]The Reformers had planted the seeds of the denominational theory of the church when they insisted that the true church can never be identified in any exclusive sense with a particular institution. The true succession is not of bishops but of believers. Luther insisted that some institutional expression "in a place and in the things and activities of the world" was inevitable; but "in this life the church is not properly understood in terms of all this." The outward forms of the church, said Luther, ought to give the Word of God free course in the world, not block its power to save.
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[/align]In a similar way, Calvin in the preface to his Institutes indicated that it is impossible to draw precise boundaries to the Church of Christ. No one can determine with precision who is numbered among the elect of God.
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[/align]The Reformers, however, never followed this lead. When religious dissent arose within a particular area, they tried to suppress it. They were still convinced that only one religion could exist in one region.
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[/align]The real architects of the denominational theory of the church were the seventeenth-century Independents (Congregationalists) who represented the minority voice at the Westminster Assembly (1642"1649). The majority at the Assembly held to Presbyterian principles and expressed these convictions classically in the Westminster Confession of Faith and in the Westminster Larger and Shorter Catechisms.
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[/align]The Independents, however, who held to congregational principles, were keenly aware of the dangers of "dividing the godly Protestant party" in England so they looked for some way to express Christian unity even when Christians did not agree.
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[/align]These Dissenting Brethren of Westminster articulated the denominational theory of the church in several fundamental truths:
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[/align]First, considering man"s inability to always see the truth clearly, differences of opinion about the outward form of the church are inevitable.
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[/align]Second, even though these differences do not involve fundamentals of the faith, they are not matters of indifference. Every Christian is obligated to practice what he believes the Bible teaches.
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[/align]Third, since, no church has a final and full grasp of divine truth, the true Church of Christ can never be fully represented by any single ecclesiastical structure.
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[/align]Finally, the mere fact of separation does not of itself constitute schism. It is possible to be divided at many points and still be united in Christ.
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[/align]Thus, the denominational theory of the church looked for Christian unity in some inward religious experience"and allowed diversity in the outward expressions of that personal faith.
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[/align]This tolerant attitude was not born of doctrinal indifference. The Independent had no intention of extending Christian unity to all religious professions. The identity of the "one true church" was restricted to those who shared a common understanding of the core of the Christian faith.
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[/align]This denominational view of the church found only limited acceptance in England where the Church of England retained a favored position, even after the Act of Toleration in 1689 recognized the rights of Presbyterians, Congregationalists, Baptists, and Quakers to worship freely. In the English colonies of America, however, the denominational theory gained increasing acceptance. It seemed to be God"s answer for the multiplying faiths in the New World.
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[/align]Few advocates of the denominational view of the church in the seventeenth century envisioned the hundreds of Christian groups included under the umbrella today. They had no intention of reducing the basic beliefs of Christianity to a general feeling of religious sincerity. But they could not control the future. They simply knew that the traditional bigotry and bloodshed in the name of Christ was not the way forward.
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[/align]In the end, then, the denominational form of the church has marked the recent centuries of Christian history, not because it is ideal, but because it is better than any alternative the years have offered.
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[/align]Shelley, Bruce L.: Church History in Plain Language. Updated 2nd ed. Dallas, Tex. : Word Pub., 1995, S. 306
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:39 PM   #8
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Denomination in the Bible:

[/align][/align]-"Rules taught by men," Isaiah 29:13.

[/align]-Division among people, John 7:40"43.

[/align]-Exclusive interpretation, Acts 15:1.

[/align]-Credentialed ministry, Acts 15:22"31.

[/align]-Courtroom dispute, Acts 18:12"17.

[/align]-Differing views, Romans 14:1"8; 1 Corinthians 1:10"17.

[/align]-Harmonious ministry, Jews, Gentiles, Galatians 2:8.

[/align]-Spiritual envy, Philippians 1:15"19.

[/align]-False doctrine prevented, 1 Timothy 1:3"5.

[/align]-Common faith, Titus 1:4.

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[/align]Anderson, Ken: Where to Find It in the Bible. Nashville : T. Nelson Publishers, 1996

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"No denomination claims to represent the whole church of Christ."
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"No denomination claims to represent the whole church of Christ."
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John 3:16-18

[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


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